i sure thank you guys about my dad and the knife i am going to try to move him up here with me when he gets better i live in washougal washington hes bed ridden right now it hit him pretty bad thanks for your suggestions. you know its sad to see these kind of things happen to are parrents watching them grow old and helpless it herts them and us . and by the way id like to thank you guys between here and bladefourums your some real stand up people GOD BLESS you