Gravelface, thanksagain for the ratweiler. My mate was very happy with it and has since used it a couple of times and put a razor edge on it. I ordered 2 scrappers, one for my collection but more importantly the other is for a mate that will take it on deployment soon. He had seen how good our rats and busses were and just had to join the club. Its gonna be heaps better than the Ontario pilot survival knife he currently uses.