I have the LAPG operator pants, regular not the new elastic ones. Not bad at all. They shed water relatively well and so far they have help up pretty well. I am required to wear pant like thta when I teach at the range. SO they haven't been beaten up to badly but they have held up to kneeling and prone postion shooting as well as rifling through the pockets for ammo and pens etc, etc. I bought a few different colors and plan to use them for some hiking and hunting this fall. That will be the test.