ZX, I am not sure LONG TERM survival has really been discussed that much. Of course THAT scenario brings up a whole new and different set of concerns. Most of the talk here so far I THINK has been just getting away from or surviving the first few days (maybe a week up to a month) before help of some kind actually arrives. Yes, even this relatively short time period brings forth the "what do I do to in my spare time or to relax" and I believe is and should be subjective for each individual. Some will choose cards, some books and some.... (insert your choice here).