Pitman, while I agree in theory, it doesn't mean I probably won't get one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I've wanted an SOD to "round out the collection" but I think the 711 will do that just fine (although in reality, the Chopweiler is probably the only one I'll use...maybe I should just save and get another one of those <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> )