I've never owned a decent bird dog. My irish setter was stout of heart but not much good in the woods <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> When I was in college my buddy used to use his little brother as a bird dog, sending him into thick brush to scare up birds for us. He worked for me for awhile many years later and was still pissed about that since he was old enough to realize what we were doing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I've gotten a few turkey now and again, there are far far more turkey now then there was when I first started hunting as a kid.