Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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I don't see anything wrong with Jerry's marketing practices... his knives come at a premium, but they really are the best you'll ever get. I've only got 2 - but my BATAC is my "go to" knife out of the 20 or so high end knives that I've acquired.
A lot of people have a "big problem" with Scrapyard sales as well - but it all comes down to supply and demand. It'd take a whole lot of work for Dan to keep up w/ a supply to meet the demand.
I'd sure prefer that both Scrapyard and Busse would keep full inventory of all of their models... but it just isn't feasible! So there really isn't a great way to decide who does and doesn't get your knives that want them. One way it to sell them to the highest bidders... or the fastest buyers... I myself have wondered about Busse family marketing and sales practices. Maybe someone can help that knows more than me. It seems Busse has created a demand for their products that exceeds supply, creating a secondary market with skyrocketing prices. I only own 2 Busse knives because they are so expensive and hard to get. I also don't plan on buying anymore anytime soon because of this. I own one Swamp Rat and several Scrapyard knives. I have heard people on other forums say they have moved on from Busse family knives because of this. I wonder if alienating your customers and driving them to other brands is smart business practice. I guess if demand is high enough that it doesn't matter then. I think the only thing holding interest in Busse family products are the products themselves (Great Knives), the warranty (Lifetime), resell value ($$$) This is only my opinion and I am no expert for sure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: jdtj63]
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09/16/07 03:05 PM
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Buying Busses is sure different than anything I have seen in over forty years of knife collecting. And they can be quite expensive. The SYKCO line is reasonably priced, though. Once you see what the DF can do, it seems like a bargain. I like my Rangers, Ontario/RATs, SOGs, Cold Steels, Beckers, and all. It is nice to know that I have the strongest knives in the world in the Busses (all 3 brands). It makes them special. They are better than they have to be. As far as I am concerned, all of the Busse-made knives are in a class by themselves. I am a Cold Steel fan from way back. Their Carbon V high performance knives raised the bar for mass produced knives. Then came Jerry Busse. Busse is the standard for high performance knives now. Does anyone seriously doubt that a Busse, Swamp Rat, or Scrap Yard can take the "Cold Steel Challenge" and beat them? The Dog Father and Battle Mistress are both tougher than the Trailmaster. I'm sure the Swamp Rat Mastiff is right up there, too.
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Re: Cold Steel products
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09/16/07 04:09 PM
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Diceman......when you get the RTAK...Let me know what you think, and if you don't like it......email me. Jason: Is that you over in the trade forum? LOL! I was wondering what the smart a$$ remark about me "dropping the ball" was all about!! Thats hillarious <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/16/07 04:09 PM
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I'd sure prefer that both Scrapyard and Busse would keep full inventory of all of their models... but it just isn't feasible! So there really isn't a great way to decide who does and doesn't get your knives that want them. One way it to sell them to the highest bidders... or the fastest buyers... I wouldn't prefer it that way. The only way I can afford these goodies is with the virtual guarantee that I can turn around and convert them directly back into my investment or or possibly more. This ease of this conversion allows me to spend what I feel is an exorbitant amount on things that are for my purposes largely a novelty. Obviously when I say "novelty" this has nothing to do with the quality and capability of Busse family products, but more so with my need for and actual usage of the products.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: jdtj63]
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09/16/07 04:13 PM
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StabbyJoe
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I don't see anything wrong with Jerry's marketing practices... his knives come at a premium, but they really are the best you'll ever get. I've only got 2 - but my BATAC is my "go to" knife out of the 20 or so high end knives that I've acquired.
A lot of people have a "big problem" with Scrapyard sales as well - but it all comes down to supply and demand. It'd take a whole lot of work for Dan to keep up w/ a supply to meet the demand.
I'd sure prefer that both Scrapyard and Busse would keep full inventory of all of their models... but it just isn't feasible! So there really isn't a great way to decide who does and doesn't get your knives that want them. One way it to sell them to the highest bidders... or the fastest buyers... I myself have wondered about Busse family marketing and sales practices. Maybe someone can help that knows more than me. It seems Busse has created a demand for their products that exceeds supply, creating a secondary market with skyrocketing prices. I only own 2 Busse knives because they are so expensive and hard to get. I also don't plan on buying anymore anytime soon because of this. I own one Swamp Rat and several Scrapyard knives. I have heard people on other forums say they have moved on from Busse family knives because of this. I wonder if alienating your customers and driving them to other brands is smart business practice. I guess if demand is high enough that it doesn't matter then. It really doesn't bother me at all. I don't know why people get so upset about it. SYKW doesn't have to release a new knife every month for me. There's plenty of other cool stuff I can buy and play with in the meantime.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: Horn Dog]
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09/16/07 04:15 PM
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StabbyJoe
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Buying Busses is sure different than anything I have seen in over forty years of knife collecting. And they can be quite expensive. The SYKCO line is reasonably priced, though. Once you see what the DF can do, it seems like a bargain. I like my Rangers, Ontario/RATs, SOGs, Cold Steels, Beckers, and all. It is nice to know that I have the strongest knives in the world in the Busses (all 3 brands). It makes them special. They are better than they have to be. As far as I am concerned, all of the Busse-made knives are in a class by themselves. I am a Cold Steel fan from way back. Their Carbon V high performance knives raised the bar for mass produced knives. Then came Jerry Busse. Busse is the standard for high performance knives now. Does anyone seriously doubt that a Busse, Swamp Rat, or Scrap Yard can take the "Cold Steel Challenge" and beat them? The Dog Father and Battle Mistress are both tougher than the Trailmaster. I'm sure the Swamp Rat Mastiff is right up there, too. I think that SYKW and Ranger knives are probably the best value to be had in the knife market today.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: Horn Dog]
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09/16/07 04:21 PM
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Does anyone seriously doubt that a Busse, Swamp Rat, or Scrap Yard can take the "Cold Steel Challenge" and beat them? I believe that about ten years ago, there was a competition conducted between the Carbon V Trailmaster and an INFI blade. I don't remember much about the testing, but I believe the Carbon V performed and held up well but the INFI came out on top. I believe the test was written up in Tactical Knives.
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Re: Cold Steel products
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09/16/07 04:37 PM
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I have had a few cold steels mostly the older versions. I have since sold them all except my SRK & machette. Since I found the (3)Busses' I dont seem to get much anything else. Scrap Yard is my favorite though.
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Re: Cold Steel products
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09/16/07 04:52 PM
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Willieboy
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I have had a few cold steels mostly the older versions. I have since sold them all except my SRK & machette. Since I found the (3)Busses' I dont seem to get much anything else. Scrap Yard is my favorite though. Why do you prefer SY over Busse/Swamp Rat? Is it the value proposition?
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: StabbyJoe]
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09/16/07 06:00 PM
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diceman
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I'd sure prefer that both Scrapyard and Busse would keep full inventory of all of their models... but it just isn't feasible! So there really isn't a great way to decide who does and doesn't get your knives that want them. One way it to sell them to the highest bidders... or the fastest buyers... I wouldn't prefer it that way. The only way I can afford these goodies is with the virtual guarantee that I can turn around and convert them directly back into my investment or or possibly more. This ease of this conversion allows me to spend what I feel is an exorbitant amount on things that are for my purposes largely a novelty. Obviously when I say "novelty" this has nothing to do with the quality and capability of Busse family products, but more so with my need for and actual usage of the products. I see where you're coming from - but being a guy that never has / hopefully never will sell my knives, I'd sure like to get my hands on a few of those models that are long gone! I don't have any problem w/ the current setup w/ either company though. I know a whole lot of people that would like to get their hands on Dogfathers though, and it would be a shame if those don't come back for a very, very long time! Being readily available would kill the resale value to be sure though.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: diceman]
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09/16/07 07:03 PM
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I Guess I won't hold my breath waiting for a response from willieboy.
jdtj63: "Busse" hasn't created the demand, his products have. Busse advertises less than any other company. The secondary market is not putting money in his pockets. If he was like a lot of other companies, he would raise prices to deal with the demand. I like the fact that he doesn't do that.
Anyone complaining about how the knives are sold, or that they can't get one, blah blah blah- is a lazy schmuck. they are not hard to get. If someone wants fast food knives, there are plenty of them available, and many are very nice indeed. The Busse Companies are small operations, not huge factories.
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Re: Cold Steel products
[Re: Rat Finkenstein]
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09/16/07 08:06 PM
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Instead of whining about the Busse family business model, I applaud it - loudly. When other knifemakers are outsourcing production overseas, have terrible quality issues, or facing bankruptcy we have a small American company that is pushing their factory to 100% production capacity and thriving. This one small Busse family factory is delivering us an amazing choice of knives at many different price points, literally something for everyone. And all of their products are MADE IN THE USA.
If you don't like how the knives are sold, don't buy them. It's really that simple. As Rat said they are available, and often at very small markups over the original prices if you take the time to shop for them.
This is not Burger King. Deal with it.
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