I don't like to comment on these kind of thing on the internet, but I agree with everything said so far 100%!

So because someone got off their butt, worked hard, made a lot of money, it's now their responsbility to go around and take care of people? That begs the question of why should anybody work hard when we can let someone who's been financially successful take care of them.

I'm sorry but I'm really tired of this line of thought. My wife and I are in that top 1-2% income bracket. And I constantly hear it. Were there because we got up off our butts and got an education, put in our dues, and work 5 days a week like everybody else.

I've battled a life long learning disability, school has never come easy to me, but I never whined about it. Instead I put that energy back into getting an education. It took longer than expected but I got there.

My wife is a dentist. She started her practice on $300.00 after she got out of dental school. Yes, that three hundred dollars. She worked 6-7 days a week, 10-14 hours a day to build up her practice. She was on call 24 hours a day and we often cut a day out or a long weekend short to go take care of an emergency.

It's not called oppression it's called opportunity. We created/took advantage of the oportunities that were in front of us. We put in our dues at the bottom, and worked our way up the ladder to our present position. If the masses don't want to take advantage of that so be. But don't expecte me to become everybodies welfare check.

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You've got three or four generations of putrid scum on welfare with no reason for them to change and no repercussions for indiscriminate breeding or illegal activities. People stumble and fall occasionally and need help for a while to get back on their feet. I want to stop supporting these people but when they stop getting money from the government they just go steal it from you on the street and from your house. I feel like if they are going to drug test me to get my piece of my earned income then, yes, they should drug test those scum to get their part of my taxed income. We live in a puritanical, totalitarian society where your freedoms are becoming strictly regulated by money minded, power hungry religious fanatics so the future only has the promise of more restrictions and less freedoms for all and when they get the welfare situation under control they still won't be giving any of that money back to you.

dint even get me started!!!
i believe that you better have a [censored] good exuse to be on wellfare.
i know a lot of the part time guys at my job{ups} are on it and thier always wearing brand new expensive clothes and spend all their money on a new rap cd or weed.
this isnt speculation,i know these things for a fact.

a good amount of these people are on drugs.i dont care if you use drugs.i care when i have to buy them for you.i have also seen people sell their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar for drugs.usualy crack.

they get their check on the first of the month,spend it in ten minuets and have no money for the rest of the month so then they have to sreel their food from the grocery store,eventualy get caught and then we pay to have them locked up or on probation.

i realize that this is an extreme case and not exactly the norm but it happens every day.my buddys dad has a good saying,"i go to work so others dont have to"

dont let your company fool you either.they're not drug testing you to make your job a safer work enviroment like most places say they are.they're doing it because they get a break on their insurance.insurance is one of the biggest expenses a company has,right their next to pay roll.its all about the bottom line.

NY state has the biggest welfare problem I know of. Were taxed to death to keep dishonest people from having to make a honest living.

We need to all finish our rants before the senate passes its Thought Crime legislation. Once that passes, we can all go down to Target and get Tee shirts will Bullseyes on them, unless we are in a "protected" group. I'm hoping Geezers are protected.

When we talk of legalizing drugs, let's not forget about the impact on personal health and the costs to the healthcare system. If drugs are legalized, I would predict a dramatic negative impact on the healthcare system and, if Hillary gets her way, it will all be "free", read another burden on those who work for a living and pay their taxes.

That's my complaint with it. While I think it's a great notion it really does beg the question: "How do we pay for it?"

I think it's filled with more problems than solutions. What happens when companies start dropping their heath care plans because there's a government plan in place? How much will our taxes increase? What about government fraud? Why is our health care system so expensive?

In addition I have issues with paying health care for persons who are obese and/or live an unhealthy life style. I understand that sometime diseases and conditions just happen. However, I also understand that some are the result of lifestyle choices.

I think I can come up with something that would suit both people like Jerrywhy who want to see people be more responsible for their own lives and people who would like to see them given some help.

We will pay people enough to live on and supply their recreational drug needs but they have to have either a tubal ligation or vasectomy and if they break any serious laws(hurt anyone) they lose that privilege. Some people are write off's
so expecting them to change is unrealistic. We need to reduce the negative effect they have on society and keep them from making more write off's. If you are willing to admit you can't take care of yourself we will do it for you but you do lose some of the rights a responsible contributing member of society has.


Legalizing drugs actually dramatically decreases the cost for society as far as health care. In Vancouver they have a safe injection site which has had a very dramatic and positive effect on aids and hep rates as well as crime. Heroin and cocaine are not that harmfull by themselves ,it is the dirty needles and horrible lifestyle that causes most of the health issues. Most heroin and cocaine users hold normal jobs and are not addicts. It is a multi billion dollar industry. Homeless people do not have billions of dollars.


I am all for pee tests where someone is doing a job where they would be putting other people at risk like truckers ,air traffic controlers etc. But not where there is not a physical risk. People should be judged by how they do their job not what they do on their free time. Already there are company's with ninsmoking policy's that test their employees and fire them for doing something perfectly legal on their own time. It is only a matter of time before employers who are vegatarians or antigun nuts start testing and firing employees for what they do in their free time.


I usually avoid discussions like this on the net (particularly BF) because some people are so angry and bitter that anyone with a different view(and mine is quite different) is attacked. I think it shows what a great place this is that we can all have totally different opinions yet still be friends. Good Show.

People are getting the drugs already. Many of them over dose. They are getting treament at our expense already. They steal and rob us to pay for thier addictions. It is a human tragedy, but all the laws in the world won't stop them. I say a free pound of crack and and free fried salt pork for the people! They won't last long.

I don't know how I could have forgotten this with regard to drugs. My youngest brother was a heroin addict and is now dead. He started his chemical dependence while still in grammar school. He sniffed paint and glue. By his twenties, he was a heroin addict, by his late twenties he was in prison, in Statesville - Joliet, Illinois. He kicked his heroin additiction, we think, and became an alcoholic, a normal transition according to his drug counselor. By 44, he was dead. He destroyed his body with drugs and alcohol. How long would he have lived if drugs were legal, I don't know. I do know I lost my baby brother, who I loved dearly, way too soon.

Sorry but health care should be free and universally available. The fact it isn't so in America is to your nations detriment.. Welfare bums and the much more deserving low paid or part time workers should be looked after.

However... social provision should come with strings- you get welfare you do civic volunteer service so many hours a week!! No (volunteer) work no welfare money. Over here you can sit on welfare for years without any problems from 'the system'. As a working man it does annoy a little..