I've never handled one. I do own a Mossberg 500 and a Rem 870 - both fine, relatively cheap guns.

Most of the 88's parts will interchange w/ 500's parts (I think I remember reading something about this several years ago) so spare parts shouldn't be a big deal. It's way less expensive than a Busse, I'd say buy it, while you still can.

Thanks for the link dark. It sounds like this guys is quite uneducated in the facts of capitalism, freedom, what evil is. When people say or believe in stupid things like Marxism, I say leave our country and live in a communistic or Socialist country where there is no opportunity to make any kind of wealth.

Sounds like you and Momaw would love to hang out with a buddy of mine back home. He's half Indian (Don't sterotype, cause he's nothing like the typical Indian you always hear jokes about), and he's big into hunting the old ways. The guy goes hunting with a plain old recurve long bow, and his big thing he's practicing with now, is the old English long bow!

He's big into the outdoors; One winter about 11 years ago, he says to his wife,"I'll be back in about a month!" He goes out into the woods, taking only his clothes, knife, and his bow, and comes back just over a month later, wearing gloves, overpants, and a backpack he's made from the skin of deer he killed while out there, filled with meat and wild mushrooms and the rest! His wife (Only married to him for about two years at this point) was convinced after a few days that he'd died out there, and we had done a search and rescue for about 2 weeks before they gave up. He just walks out and said that he wished we hadn't done that, it made it more difficult to hunt! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I love the guy, one of my best buds when we were growing up, but sometimes he scares the hell outta me! He's always had a big chip on his shoulder about how people have this view of Indians as being nothing more than a bunch of welfare collecting drunks. It always seems like he feels that he's gotta prove his worth or something.

Anyway, if you want to learn some good survival methods, Chris would definitely teach you some tricks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> I've yet to meet anyone else that can compare to him.

Heh. That is not my website, by the way, let's clear that up at the front. I'm not defending that person's viewpoint I'm just offering some comments.

Typically, people who become famous leaders are very intelligent and very charismatic. They have good ideas. They also sometimes have really bad ideas. It's our responsibility as thinking animals to hear all sides and find the best compromise. I don't find it at all unreasonable that a person might see some of Marx's work as very appealing. It is certainly not treasonous, as treason implies an action and reading a book is only education. Any government or person that seeks to control what you think instead of respond to what you do is well on the road toward evil, in my opinion.

We should also draw a line between communism in the classic sense and what the USSR attempted. To my knowledge there is not, and never has been, a nation that I would consider to be communist. A commune is based on the notion that each person provides material and labor to the whole, and then draws from the pool freely as needed to make up for things they themselves cannot do. Which works great when you have a body of like-minded people who all know each other: the only communes I know of that actually worked in the modern world were founded on a basis of religion and did not exceed a few hundred bodies. When people must be compelled to function within the system by a higher government, the entire thing breaks quickly. Communism by nature only works when people want it to work, which means knowing and respecting your fellow citizens, not taking advantage of their altruism.

Incidentally, true (Athenian) democracy, only works on a small scale also. Every person must be interested enough and informed enough to meaningfully participate in the government. Which is definitely not the case in a nation of, say, 300 million and change. Hence we elect representatives to make choices on our behalf so we don't have to deal with the minutae. I am always amused when people claim that the USA is a democracy and that we are bringing democracy to the world. Even our own government doesn't claim to be a democracy once you bypass the flag-waving. Granted "Making the world safe for strong democratic traditions" just doesn't have the same ring.

Now that you're thinking "[censored], that Momaw guy is so un-American it's not even funy" I'll go make some tea. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Cool and windy today but still no snow. It was 60F yesterday, and raining. What's up with that?

True communism was tried right here in North America. The pilgrims tried it and nearly starved. So they went to a private property free enterprise system, and they prospered. Fuzzy-headed college professors have been repeating the lie that true communism has never been tried since I was in college in the 1970's. Unfortunately, young impressionabe students still repeat the lie. It is a failed system that, as Ronald Reagan correctly remarked, "..belongs on the ash heap of history". There is a reason propery rights were protected under our constitution. The founders were well aware of the failure of the communal experiment in Mass.

A prime example of this would be the farming communes in Israel called Kibbutzes. They fulfiil your definition quite soundly. They're comprised of usually no more than 30 families (tops), and everyone helps with the daily chores and tasks. The money is pooled and utilized to the benefit of everyone living there. I got the chance to visit a few of them while I was on tour there; most of the farming kibbutzes have a restaurant on the outer perimeter of their land. This allows them another way to provide income for their community. I really enjoyed the pleasant and relaxed atmosphere.

The elderly of course don't provide as much physical labour, but they help with education, passing on knowledge of farming and basic things like math and reading, and of course, they assist in passing on to the younger generation the tricks to keeping the commune running smoothly. We had the chance to quietly observe their daily life, and I found it nice.

since we're all gettin political i was wonderin if you guys wanted to help me do some research on a study i wanted to do. poorer countries seem to have happier people, despite the lack of jobs, cars, money, and all the crap we in this country relate to prosperity. i think that happiness in a nation is inversely proportional to that country's concentration of lawyers.

now i have to prove it and publish it online.

after that, we'll get to the best way to run a government: the modern version of Plato's republic. any system, be it a commune, republic, or democracy, will fail if the right people are not performing the right tasks. if you haven't anticipated it, the first conclusion is that lawyers are unfit for the job. economists and soldiers should be running the program.

ugh, forget the essays. just grab your arms, meet at blythe island, and bring some bricks and barb wire. if we need more room, we invade cuba.

I know this is an interruption of the current topic flow, and while it may sound like the setup line of a joke, it's a serious question: How does one pay a Canadian?

I noticed a knife being sold by one of the northern JYDs. I'm not ready to buy it right now, but realized that I don't know how payment (other than using PayPal) works internationally. I searched online and found that the USPS sells International money orders for about $3.00 more than a the domestic one. Also, it appears that postage for a first-class (one ounce) letter to Canada is 72 cents. Am I missing anything, or is that all there is to it?

if its the hell razor i have one just like it and its awesome

Jim,

The international money orders can be good, so can PayPal, and if you are able to, EMT (Electronic Money Orders) can be utilized as well. If you have online banking, and the E-mail of the person you want to send money to, it's very easy. I've done it a number of times to purchase knives. I think Unsub and Cold One can back me up on this one, as fellow Canucks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

there is a female tiger loose right around here

If the people in poorer countries are happier, why are they flocking here? I do agree with the notion that mindless materialism is unsatisfying. We, as a nation, have lived beyond our means for too long. We may be facing the consequences of such over spending with a severe recession or even another Great Depression. I do not wish to live quite on the edge of starvation that many in the world do, though. But I am in the process of simplifying my life and living more modestly. How much "stuff" do we really need anyway? As for the lawyers, we need to parachute them all into hostile countries so they can either die or destroy those nations. Seems fair to me. As for invading Cuba, just go straight there and establish a beach head at the Bay of Pigs. We on Blythe Island will then recognize you as the legitimate government and support you. Promise. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />