Full auto weapons are not actually illegal. many States will allow you to get a federal permit to own one. All semi auto's at least know require a very good knowledge of the gun plus some extensive machining to covert to reliable full auto operation. The BATF checkes out every design before it is allowed to enter the US or be made in the US "legally".

Some slip by once in a while like a certain 22 semi rifle back in the 80s that came from eastern europe the firing cycle started from a open bolt a very big no no. The next was some very early AKs back in the 80s I belive that had a plate spot welded on the inside of the receiver preventing the selector from moving to the Full Auto position. An easy one to convert.


These are not the ones they worry about altho if they catch you it's a big fine and prison time, it's the "big fish" they look for.

Remember BGs don't care they steal from the gov from Law enforcement or smuggle them. Sometimes they even buy them from bad cops.

Actually if I was still doing hits I would use a bow. They are powerful ,accurate,
deadly and silent. Unlike a suppressed handgun they are perfectly legal. They even have some very compact compound bows.


I think if you are going to follow the second amendment it is important to have armour piercing bullets as the forces of fascism will be wearing body armour.
Also some hand held RPG's are a must as well. I like how someone pointed out the difference between arms and ordnance. That makes sense. To defend against fascism you would need mortars , claymores, some small full auto weapons. I could see the classic .50 being classed either as arms or ordnance.

In Canada where I live (Prince Albert Saskatchewan) we have a violent crime rate 10 times the Canadian average. Most of it is knives but their are plenty of guns as well. I am not a big fan of handguns as a weapon. They are usually used at ranges a knife or hawk would work just as well. It just makes it physically and
physiologically easier than sticking a blade into someone.

i like your thinking ....... wouldnt happen to be running for president would ya?

We should ban Kennedys, or at least register them. More people have died from the Kennedys than from my guns.
Oh, ban tigers, too. More people died this December from tiger attacks in the US than from my guns.

Oh, and while we are at it, diner coffee also gots to go. I think I will die from what I drank tonite. That would make it more roos dying from pee-cofeee than from my firearms....

NFA/Class 3 weapons are actually relatively easy to get if you have the money and no criminal background. The standard way to get one is to have your class 3 dealer fill out a form 4. A copy of this must be signed by your "local law enforcement" which usually means police chief or sheriff. Then you send in your form 4 with a picture, finger print card and $200 tax check. Voila! You can now pay $13,000+ for your full auto M-16.

Class 3 weapons include machine guns, suppressors (silencers to non gun people) and short barreled long guns (short barrel being anything under 16 inches). Machine guns can only be transferred if they were made before 1986(I think). This includes lightening links and drop in sears for AR-15s.

Now, if you can't get a local law enforcement signature because your local chief/sheriff is a dick then you can always create and LLC or trust and have the class 3 item transferred to the LLC or trust with no signature!

The biggest catch of owning a machine gun is that you have to buy one from someone else that was made before 1986 so... Just like old Busse's that they don't make anymore they are going to fetch a premium.

I can go into more detail if anyone wants.

If you couldn't tell from my previous post I am very very pro gun.

I agree with what a few others have said.

CCW should be federal and be the same across every state. We just recently got preemption here in Ohio and its great! That means that each individual city and township doesn't have its own gun laws anymore. Only state laws apply. It was kind of annoying to drive to a gun range and break the law in certain counties/cities/townships without even knowing it.

I don't mind the NICS check but that should be it. I shouldn't have to have a license to buy a gun and I [censored] sure shouldn't have to register my guns.

The Assault Weapons Ban is a very real threat. If the gun banners get what they want at the very least we will have to register our guns which is just the first step. Once they know where everyone’s guns are it will be much easier to go collect them once they are banned. Drugs are banned in the U.S. and that worked great didn't it. (This is just an example. I actually think drugs are very bad.) Alcohol was banned once too, maybe someone here can tell us how that worked out. Let's ban guns and create a huge black market for criminals. At least everyone will feel "safe" then...

Sorry, done ranting.

This is for good measure.

I hate to think that I may have started an ongoing debate.

The fact of the matter remains that anyone willing to make a compromise is on the wrong side of this issue.

Look at the recent bill for the instant background checks. McCarthy and others have called this a step in the right direction. Every one of them has legislation that they would like to introduce while they are on a role. Most, if not all, of these individuals have been on the record stating that the ultimate goal is the complete ban of firearms. "You cannot throw these people bone."

For all of you knife lovers (an affliction I have), just listen to this logic. I am sorry for singling out part of this post:
"In Canada where I live (Prince Albert Saskatchewan) we have a violent crime rate 10 times the Canadian average. Most of it is knives but their are plenty of guns as well. I am not a big fan of handguns as a weapon. They are usually used at ranges a knife or hawk would work just as well. It just makes it physically and
physiologically easier than sticking a blade into someone."

As I stated before, the general rule is a 21ft distance for a knife attacker to be lethal. This distance has the potential to make the knife attacker lethal, but almost every time that attacker will end up dead when facing than "only ones." To think that in any case you may be better-off with a knife than a firearm when your life is on the line is ludicrous.

Even if you feel more comfortable with a knife, look at what has happened in Australia and the UK. Firearms are only the first step. Criminals adapt quickly and before you know it... The knives you love make you a criminal. That slippery slope is fast and furious.

"Liberty" lovers have to band together and not make any compromise. Any compromise you are willing to make is risking not only my individual rights, buy more importantly my life.

Please in the future, I would like people to look at the definitions of, and be able to distinguish"

1. Liberty vs. Freedom
2. Right vs. Privilege

rvogster, I like your style and knowledge. Be sure to stock up on AK and AR receivers before the next election. The receivers for each are considered the firearm and are relatively cheap to purchase <$100.

This would grandfather in any firearm you build with those receivers.

I don't know if you have gone through the trouble of purchasing a NFA firearm, but you may like the "Super-Shorty."

http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php

This firearm is classified as an AOW (Any Other Weapon.) This classification still requires all the paperwork, but only a $5 stamp. There are other weapons like this available, so please don't claim me to be brand dependant. This is the item that I am most familiar with.

I am sorry if the link is not allowed, if so, please remove.

I am a little RED NECK on this subject. Just who the h--l gave the pack of basta--s the authority to legislate MY RIGHTS. RIGHTS given to me under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. You start allowing or giving the mange SOBs the ability to take away what our forefathers gave us, then you are nothing more than a Communist, Socialist or Fascist. You ain't a by God American, and I don't press one for English either.

Sorry for the rant, but someone in my family has been shooting or dying for this country since 1731, and I ain't going down without a fight. STANDUP and BE COUNTED people. United we stand, devided we fall.

I think more people are establishing trust to get Class III's and avoiding the LEO's signature. At least that's my feeling at this point. I may be wrong but I believe that if you go the trust route then you can own a full auto that was manufactured after the 1986 lock. I could be wrong on that though.

I'm thinking about establishing a trust to get a can for my HK USPc .45. I don't think my county sheriff would have an issue. It's a pretty rural county and guns are the norm here. However, when it comes to politics anything goes.

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