Bruce - I am a little surprised and disappointed in you! Nobody has to try to " ingratiate" themselves for a proxy, they only have to ask. I feel like those willing folks deserve more credit than you are giving them. Yes, I have proxied for others, and others have proxied for me. This forum fosters a sense of friendship and trust, something I would have had a hard time believing if I hadn't become a part of it myself. I hope that newer forum members don't get the wrong idea from your post - that they have to "ingratiate" themselves in order to score a knife!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Tom