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Re: Black and Tan [Re: eatingmuchface] #223185 05/13/08 11:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio macgregor Junk Yard Dog
macgregor Junk Yard Dog Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio	Quote great pics rover! cool blade! (you have some funny feet) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> 5.7x28mm... it's a low recoil, high velocity round developed for light armor peircing... and it doesn't really have great stopping power. (that is debated though) there was alot of talk about it's armor peircing abilities but no data or facts were provided to back it up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I just learned about this round a few days ago from noss so... I still don't know much about it but that's just from my understanding and users might have a different point of view, but hopefully you found that helpfull. full loaded with 20 rounds I think it weighs like 1.6 pounds! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> It tears flesh up! My uncle used his Five seveN to kill a pack of coyoties and there were huge exit wounds. I mean huge, bordering on .45 range but it has a 20rd mag. JYD#49

Re: Black and Tan [Re: macgregor] #223186 05/13/08 11:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 642 DeSoto MO jforbush Scrapper
jforbush Scrapper Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 642 DeSoto MO	What about the cost of ammo? www.4bushweaponsrefinishingsystems.com

Re: Black and Tan [Re: jforbush] #223187 05/13/08 11:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA VANCE Junk Yard Dog
VANCE Junk Yard Dog Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA	i think out 5.7 is about $20-24 per 50ct where 22mag is $7-12 per 50ct JYD #22 Always drink upstream from the herd. -- Will Rogers aka"LUCKY DOG"

Re: Black and Tan [Re: VANCE] #223188 05/13/08 11:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio macgregor Junk Yard Dog
macgregor Junk Yard Dog Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio	Well it still makes more sense then .40. JYD#49

Re: Black and Tan [Re: macgregor] #223189 05/13/08 11:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA VANCE Junk Yard Dog
VANCE Junk Yard Dog Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA	Quote Well it still makes more sense then .40. :confused you can get a glock 22 w/ 15rds of 500ish ftbs of energy how id 20 rds of 350ft lbs better? JYD #22 Always drink upstream from the herd. -- Will Rogers aka"LUCKY DOG"

Re: Black and Tan [Re: VANCE] #223190 05/13/08 11:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio macgregor Junk Yard Dog
macgregor Junk Yard Dog Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio	I said it makes more sense. The 5.7 is a penetrator, a mini rifle round that I have found to be very accurate and has that tumbling effect. Not a man stopper but when you have a pistol mag of 20rds or a sub gun mag of 50rds they have to stop some time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The .40 is like a 9mm and .45 cross breed, it is just about the median of the 2 rounds also. It does not posses the stoping power of the .45 and cost twice as much as the 9mm. My favorite handgun round is the .45 though. Give me a good colt 1911 or Glock 21sf any day. JYD#49

Re: Black and Tan [Re: VANCE] #223191 05/13/08 11:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,869 NJ eatingmuchface Junk Yard Dog
eatingmuchface Junk Yard Dog Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,869 NJ	they do tumble alot and leave some big holes... and energy isn't really everything is it vance??? JYD number 52.

Re: Black and Tan [Re: macgregor] #223192 05/13/08 11:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA VANCE Junk Yard Dog
VANCE Junk Yard Dog Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA	Quote I said it makes more sense. The 5.7 is a penetrator, a mini rifle round that I have found to be very accurate and has that tumbling effect. Not a man stopper but when you have a pistol mag of 20rds or a sub gun mag of 50rds they have to stop some time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The .40 is like a 9mm and .45 cross breed, it is just about the median of the 2 rounds also. It does not posses the stoping power of the .45 and cost twice as much as the 9mm. My favorite handgun round is the .45 though. Give me a good colt 1911 or Glock 21sf any day. the new SS197SR toatally lacks penetration it's loaded with a hornady v-max bullet....which is a varmint bullet designed for rapid expansion JYD #22 Always drink upstream from the herd. -- Will Rogers aka"LUCKY DOG"

Re: Black and Tan [Re: VANCE] #223193 05/14/08 12:03 AM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,869 NJ eatingmuchface Junk Yard Dog
eatingmuchface Junk Yard Dog Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,869 NJ	yeah... the 5.7 was originally developed to defeat body armor though... and alot of claimwere made and stuff too, but were neer backed up. (from what I understand) I don't really know anything about the ss197sr... but lets not hijack this thread too much. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> JYD number 52.

Re: Black and Tan [Re: VANCE] #223194 05/14/08 12:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio macgregor Junk Yard Dog
macgregor Junk Yard Dog Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,138 Ohio	I dont know what my uncle was shooting out of his, I think they were just FMJ's. It did some damage on those coyoties though. The only thing I have heard about the AP rounds is that they are suposed to be able to penetrate 65 layers of kevlar. JYD#49

Re: Black and Tan [Re: VANCE] #223195 05/14/08 12:20 AM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 123 Phoenix, AZ R Rover OP Mutt
OP Rover Mutt R Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 123 Phoenix, AZ	SS192 is not an AP round and its sales have never been restricted to civilians. It is the predeccesor to SS195, the sporting round, and differs only in the type of primer used.It is no longer manufactured. SS190 is the AP round and the BATF doesn't allow civilian ownership of it. SS191 is the training round for SS190 and is regulated, I believe by FN against civilian ownership. There's a couple other rounds, some restricted and some discontinued. Also the bullets don't tumble. There's a lot of misinformation about the 5.7 round out there anyone interested in learning more about it should check out www.fivesevenforums.com The stopping power thing can be argued all day. I don't really know the answer. Though I will say having 50 rounds of ammo in a very compact carbine has got to be usefull. -Art Howells

Re: Black and Tan [Re: Rover] #223196 05/14/08 12:24 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA VANCE Junk Yard Dog
VANCE Junk Yard Dog Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,149 JAWJA	you are right.. its ss190 not ss192 ..HP round JYD #22 Always drink upstream from the herd. -- Will Rogers aka"LUCKY DOG"

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