Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market?
[Re: MRpink]
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I have a CB350 cafe Racer project in the works. Here are some knives I have ready for the secondary market. ![[Linked Image from i529.photobucket.com]](http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/dd337/Unsubb/P6290010.jpg) I already traded the SAR5 for 10$ less than I bought it for and I had a sheath made for it. But it was a good guy and a knife I want(A Caly3). I am definitly keeping at least 1 HCLE. Those sheaths look great with the G10 grips. Doesn't black g10 on the HCLE's look better than the black micarta on the SAR5?
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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market?
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08/07/08 12:52 AM
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dogbert, sounds like it was horndogs. I heard he stold his so I fgured you were the one who got it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market?
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08/07/08 01:11 AM
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dogbert, sounds like it was horndogs. I heard he stold his so I fgured you were the one who got it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Well I'll be...Let's see if he fess's-up. It is a good looking edge. A whole lot of metal from that blade is somewhere else. Somebody had been very busy.
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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market?
[Re: Dogbert]
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08/07/08 01:17 AM
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i buy the knives that i am interested in @ the time....(or whats available)
down the road i like to be able to sell them off to buy what suits me "that week"... i have rarely made any profit on my purchases....
i know ive lost money on a few just to move it & get something else
(im impatient like that)
hell..... ive even given stuff away
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Re: Who loves/hates the secondary market?
[Re: VANCE]
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08/07/08 01:23 AM
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i buy the knives that i am interested in @ the time....(or whats available)
down the road i like to be able to sell them off to buy what suits me "that week"... i have rarely made any profit on my purchases....
i know ive lost money on a few just to move it & get something else
(im impatient like that)
hell..... ive even given stuff away I am the same way Vance, I bought a Busse Cultie at Fogos the night before Blade started,spent out on Friday then sold it Saturday morning to buy my Sarsquatch which I will not be selling. I think it worked out OK.
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Re: I appreciate the market to a point..
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08/07/08 01:26 AM
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I couldn't vote.
I like the secondary market to a extent. When they charge double the release prise for ANY given model I feel like they bought the extras as a source of income and not as a way to add a LITTLE extra dough while picking the cream of the crop for themselves.
I would NEVER begrudge anyone making a legitimate profit for their trouble but the double price gets under my fair play skin.
I am still looking for a S-6 that is affordable,and all I hear and see is Dogs paying so much for them that it insults Dan Busse himself.
Secondary is a great idea in the hands of good people.
Peace.
Some people just never learn.
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Re: I appreciate the market to a point..
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08/07/08 01:31 AM
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the last scrapyard knife i sold....i sold it to a forum member that couldnt make it to BLADE for exactly what i paid for it.......i even held it untill he had the money
JYD #22 Always drink upstream from the herd. -- Will Rogers aka"LUCKY DOG"
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Re: I appreciate the market to a point.. *DELETED*
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08/07/08 03:34 AM
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Re: I appreciate the market to a point..
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08/07/08 03:52 AM
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My guess would be for every profiteer there are ten or more regular guys who buy a few for trades or to give their friends a shot and to make a couple bucks doing something we love.
If all of us here had spent the time we do here at the yard making minimum wage we would make a heck of a lot more money than we ever could selling knives. I probably spend 8 to 10 hours a day talking ,polishing ,sharpening ,trading reading about ,giving advice on shopping for and looking at knives.
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Newbie views
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08/07/08 04:11 AM
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When I heard about Busse knives, they sounded so fantastic that I wanted one. So naturally I went over to Busse Combat page and spent a couple minutes trying to figure out how you actually buy one. Then I found the Busse Company "Store", which is so similar in style that it looks like it's the same outfit. Nothing had any "Send money here for your knife" links, nor any dates on when more product would be stocked, or even when the page was last updated.
I ended up emailing Busse Combat to try and figure out what was going on. I got an email back from somebody named Amy (now that I realize how tiny this community is, I see that signed emails aren't just a pointless customer service thing) who straightened me out.
I completely fail to grasp the business model that the entire Busse family seems to operate on. They appear to make a good product, but in ridiculously tiny quantity. Some evidence suggests that they are a contractor for supplying knives for military use, but if that were the case, why not offer the model they are actually making in bulk for sale to the public? Instead of offering very small runs of unique models.
Long story short, it seems like the Busse family isn't quite sure whether they are making limited-issue never-to-be-used collectibles, or making high quality working knives. I don't know them of course, maybe they're all excellent folk; and my comments probably aren't endearing; but that's the way it seems to a person just arriving on the scene and trying to figure out what's going on.
That said, the "secondary market" seems like the only traditional way to buy a Busse kin knife. You want one, you look it up, and you order it. It is annoying that people involved with the community and that can gobble these up in the hour after they are announced apparently pay quite a bit less. This sort of thing happens all the time in business, I recognize and support friend deals, but not when it's basically the only way the business operates. Because it's open to abuse. Buyers of these blades at release are pretty clearly divided into those who buy for use or fair resale, and those who buy them up in bulk just to create a shortage and sell them on at 50%, 100%, 150% profit. New customers who only want one Busse family knife are basically screwed because they aren't a part of the friend network.
All's fair in love, war, and capitalism they say. But that doesn't make it any less a pain in the backside. The only way I can see this being resolved is if the Busses sell limited numbers to each buyer to ensure that as many people who want one get one at the release price, but as I read earlier in the thread, this is already been asked for and refused. It would be interesting to know why but it's not really relevant.
Anyway. I've got a Dogfather in the mail, and it will be used rather than collected. I paid way too much for it, but I put down money and got prompt service, which is how I believe businesses should work when they've got eager customers.
Like I said above, my comments probably aren't endearing, especially from somebody just wandering in. Fortunately personal opinion has no effect on the performance of steel. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Newbie views
[Re: Momaw]
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08/07/08 11:00 AM
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Welcome to the yard Momaw.....your perspective is interesting as a newcomer....some of what happened with you happened with me.....I heard about the Busse knives....read/viewed the Noss tests....Google searched and then had to figure out how a Steel Heart seemed to be the only offering? I wanted a FFBM...then found the Company Store and would be the proud owner of a Limited Edition FBM plus Kydex but the purchase software would not allow the deal to go through. E-mailed them and got some help cancelling re-peated attempts with different cards...LOL....I nearly bought 4 of them! All the transactions were showing allocated funds over here so the fault was at the US end but I was then worried as to how much I could have spent!
Amy was a real star! She sent me the cancellation codes which I passed on to the various card customer services and all was well. She suggested I try Paypal and I did register but the "black art" of getting the damned thing to work lost me and by then the last of those LE's was gone. I ended up getting a cheaper FFBM in perfect condition from a real nice guy on the forum and not at crazy money.....so it has it's good side and you meet some good people.
I eventually sorted out my Paypal and used it to get a Ash-1 which has more hours invested in it than any of my other knives....just trying to turn it into a LE spec. It is one of those things....I have started so I will finish......tasks. It is coming along fine....got some great tips from Horn Dog on here and the scotch brite is doing the bits I could'nt figure how to do.
This forum is a great place to learn more and meet good people...hope you enjoy it.
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Re: Newbie views
[Re: Momaw]
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08/07/08 11:47 AM
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Welcome to the the Yard, Momaw. Your observations sound so familiar to most of us. The Busse business model is mysterious at best, but it seems to be working for them. It's almost like a cult, but not an evil one. Last year at Blade the Busse Knife Group booth was the most active in the whole Galleria. There were hundreds of other big name vendors and famous knife makers there, but all the noise and action was at Busse. The thing to remember is that most Busse, Swamp Rat, and Scrap Yard buyers are hard core knife lovers. Most of us own other brands as well. These knives can be hard to come by, but to us they are worth the price at the store and sometimes a bit more. Greed is never pretty and Gordon Gecko was wrong. You will find plenty of helpful and generous folks here in the yard who will help you find what you want at a fair price. So, come hang out with us a while and enjoy the yard. We are expecting big things soon here at the Scrap Yard.
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