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Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: eatingmuchface] #239505 08/29/08 08:22 AM
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Seems as if VG-10 is the hot item in kitchen cutlery these days. Even though Busse 154 CM would be sweet, I would have to favor VG-10. Glesser mentioned somwhere that VG-10 outperformed both 154 CM/ATS-34 and ATS-55 in toughness and edge retention.

Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: adamlau] #239506 08/30/08 03:12 AM
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I like my VG-10 Endura and Ladybug. Now I want a waved Endura, and maybe try one of those new ZDP-189 ones.


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Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: Horn Dog] #239507 08/30/08 04:20 AM
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Some folks just don't like any stainless steel...

Personally I think this belief in the vast inferiority of stainless steels is a holdover from the first part of the 20th century, when stainless metallurgy and heat treatment was not as well understood as it is now. Or as a result of poor design and lacking knowledge, actively exploited by the mass market. A person who doesn't do much research and buys a cheap knife made of 420 stainless will form the correct opinion that this metal doesn't make a terribly good knife, without arriving at the realization that there are a LOT of different "flavors" of stainless. Your average person on the street divides metal into steel, stainless steel, and high carbon steel, while in reality there are hundreds of different alloys on the market and the classifications are not so absolute. And that typically you get what you pay for.

The solution is to probably just hand people a good quality stainless knife, and let them fall in love before telling them what it's made of. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Which would probably do the world of blade design a lot of good in general: to encourage customers to ask "How well does it cut" before "What's it made of".

Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: Momaw] #239508 08/30/08 10:04 AM
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Only thing is that I have been Bussekin brainwashed and must know "what's it made of" before wanting to know "how well does it cut" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ...

Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: adamlau] #239509 08/30/08 10:40 AM
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Only thing is that I have been Bussekin brainwashed and must know "what's it made of" before wanting to know "how well does it cut" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ...

You can be redeemed, no fear. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I'm not saying anything about bad about the Busse family's products: they DO work well. But they don't work well because they're made of supersteel, they work well because they're made of well-tempered and intelligently-ground supersteel. A club made of unobtainium won't cut any better than a battle axe made of play-doh.

Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: Momaw] #239510 08/30/08 11:26 AM
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True quality makes the difference! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: Private Klink] #239511 08/30/08 02:08 PM
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But a club made of unobtanium surely is no better than a club made of adamantium!

Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: adamlau] #239512 08/30/08 08:42 PM
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Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: adamlau] #239513 08/30/08 11:42 PM
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But a club made of unobtanium surely is no better than a club made of adamantium!

It is if alloyed with mithril and quenched in the fires Mount Doom. It's all in the heat treatment, remember.

Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: Private Klink] #239514 08/31/08 05:18 AM
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I agree PK! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: tyger75] #239515 08/31/08 12:09 PM
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In the Knife Magazines thread, Andy presented an article about Swamp Rat knives. In that article they say:

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At one time, some Swamp Rat knives were made of D2 tool steel. Jerry had thousands of pounds of the near-stainless steel left over from his custom knife days. He said that D2 is great for hunting blades and “slicing knives.” He indicated that D2 was not as great as SR-101 for heavier chopping blades, however. He recommended that D2 be used only on blades 5” long or shorter.


I think the limits Jerry set for D2 should also apply to 154CM. Certainly when we’re talking about field knives. Compare the torture tests of 154CM with the torture tests of the Dogfather. Sorry, Dan, but there is no comparison. SR-77 is a “stake your life on” steel. 154CM is a “stake your reputation” on steel. I know which one I will pick. When it comes down to the short strokes, you cannot tell what life will demand of your blade. If circumstances require you to do terrible things to your knife because that knife is the only tool you have, it had better stand up to whatever the real life conditions demand.

In the kitchen, the workshop, the gardening shed, it’s a different story. I have plenty of knives in the kitchen. I have plenty of tools in the workshop. I have more than one chopper in the yard tools. If a knife or tool fails, I grab another one and keep going. If it’s a Scrap Yard, I know the warranty is good. So a big chef knife or carver or chopper for domestic use is fine.

If I’m going to depend on what I have with me, and those tools have to work, I only want blades of 154CM that are small and obviously designed for light duty. I’ll throw my Bird Dog in the tackle box. But I’ll wear a Yard Keeper or Ratmandu because—well, just in case.

Re: Would You Buy a Large Scrapper or Rat in 154CM [Re: Implume] #239516 08/31/08 11:59 PM
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After a day of consideration, I think I would still take 500 over 400 RWHP for a premium. Even though 400 would still be plenty enough to use on a daily basis.

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