Hey guys, a few ?s...

will the new Tan Yard Keeper that is the 3rd Dog Bowl be the Combat Grade (YKCG)????

Also, is it SR77 this time or 154CM? Sorry if this is a stupid ? I just didnt know if it was put out... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

If it isnt the CG, how much difference in toughness is there between the CG and the regular grade? how thick is the Tank YK that just got released? something like a quarter inch??? isnt that pretty thick? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />

SR-77 and I think 3/16.

the tan version is thinner than the le, probably 3/16 (in American lingo), got mine from a fellow forum member a while ago.

RS,

CG is not a "toughness" designation.

CG is a "Finish" designation.

Any blade with a coating, regardless of color is "Combat Grade" (meaning (?????):

- coated so not "shiny" for combat (many military personal don't want reflective glare from their gear)

and/or

- lesser quality finish grade than satin, but suitable enough for combat

and/or

- coated to protect blade from elements so you don't have to worry about it in combat = lower maintenance

...., etc..


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CG = Coated blade

CE = Competition Edge (unofficially)

LE = Satin finish (some LE's are numbers and some are not)



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KG, thank you for setting the story straight for me... I thought CG meant combat grade.. Im an idiot. I thought the CGs were thicker for some reason... My bad. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Again, I feel dumb, sorry guys.

The YK a tough little guy? Would you put it up with the S6 or DM?

Yeah, what KG said, CG is just a coated blade. I completely missed that part of your question recon, sorry.

Many people have done reviews on the the YK, try and dig them up. I'd say it is pretty tough for it's size, 3/16 is 0.1875 inhes. The DMCG is ~0.285 (LE, DC is 0.250) and the S6 is 0.275. So there's a big difference in thickness, but 3/16 in SR-77 would still stand up to some prying and hard batoning/splitting.

*The original YKCG was 3/16, I don't think any details were given for the tan YK, but my guess is they kept the stock the same.

Not as tough, because it's thinner. If you check my YouTube vids (link in sig) I have a video of my using my similar sized Howling Rat to baton wood with.

CG "DOES" mean "Combat Grade". But, a CG blade (Combat Grade blade) is just a coated blade. - CG / "Combat Grade" has "Nothing" to do with thickness or any toughness rating or "Rated for Combat".

Although, as I mentioned above, many people in the military prefer the non-satin coated blades to reduce glare..... "stealthier". So, I think you could define combat grade in multiple ways. In Busse's case, though, it just means coated. Reasons and justifications for coatings are for others. I like satin - every time for me.


Some CG blades have been thicker than their satin counterparts. But, not always. There is no "rule" about CG vs. LE in one being thicker than the other.

In many cases, where the LE blades might be about 0.015" - 0.025 thinner, I think the blades are (or were inititially) the same and the satin finished blades are just a couple tenths thinner from grinding away the pits to make them satin (?????).

However, in some cases (particularly a few INFI blades) some of the LE blades were sometimes quite a bit thicker than CG blades. Obviously, those LE blades started out as much thicker blanks of stock steel.

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The DMCG and S6CG are both "EXTREME" examples of MEGA thick blades made with MEGA tough steel. With the DMCG being 0.285" thick and so short, there are very few examples of such super tough knives.

Although, the Busse "Off Duty" - a thick variation of the Active Duty at about 0.35" thick with a 3.5" blade in INFI might take the cake as best I can think of.

Still, the YKCG only has a 4.5" blade. As tough as SR-77 is, 3/16" at that length is still a more than sufficiently tough knife. (IMO)... But, I guess it depends on what you intend to do with it. I am very confident you can BEAT the SNOT out of it and I wouldn't be surprised if it just giggled at you.

What do you think you intend to use it for where you would be concerned about breaking it?

If you are hoping to pry the turret off of an Abrams, you might want to stick with the DMCG.

The YKLE was designed to be more of a knife than a pry-bar. But, I am confident it can pry VERY well for it's size and you should be able to beat the snot out of it if you so desire.

Again, if you need a "Ultra" Pry-Bar, stick with the DMCG. Or check your local hardware store. You can buy nice pry-bars up to 0.75" - .875" thick for under $20.00. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


..... although, for the record, I wouldn't spend too much time trying to pry the turret of the Abrams. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />...... - golden rule in tools: "Use the right tool for the job". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

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Actually... Just to confuse matters, Combat Grades are not always coated. They are also occasionally offered in double cut.

For lack of a better definition, when it comes to Busse & related companies, if it isn't a Limited Edition or a competition edition it is a combat grade!

I think the basic premise is that it is the cheaper of the two option to offer more bang for your buck rather than the collector value of the limited edition ones.

RS,

I know you like spikes and picks.....

They make a LOT of various spikes, pry-bars and even combinations of both that can be found at hardware stores for "Cheap" and all made to be "Tough"

Those "Gorilla Bar" brand bars are very tough! I have a couple. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />:






















Rock Hammers (hand picks) make good weapons too:






Estwing even makes a sheath for theirs:






...... Lots of prying, whacking and stabbing fun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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I don't recall ever seeing a "Double-Cut" blade referred to as "Combat Grade". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I have always just seen them referred to as "Double-Cut" and sometimes "DC".

So, I think it would be fair to say "DC" is another catagory of finish.

But, when have you seen a Double-Cut reffered to as "CG" or "Combat Grade"????? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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..... subjective terms. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


CG is not such a great bang-for-the-buck for those of us who want "User" satin finishes and have to strip the coatings.

"IF" a satin version is offered at a "reasonable" price, as Dan / Scrap Yard has luckily provided, then I personally consider the Satin version as better bang-for-the-buck. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If Busse offers Satin (LE or whatever) at $200-$330 more than already high priced INFI, then satin is not a good value at all (IMO).


A "LE" or satin finish might be a collectible to some. I consider satin a "More" worthy "User" grade finish.

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That's what I thought too, that double cut was always referred to as DC, like the DMDC, but CO said "Busse & related companies" and I don't know enough specifically about Busse.

To me, the CG is the best bang-for-the-buck, even for a user. Like you said it's a subjective term and it depends on what you "use" it for. Most SY knives, with the exception of the BDLE, weren't built for a specific task like slicing, most of them are thick enough to where the coating wouldn't slow down the cutting efficiency. So personally I'd take the savings of the CG, plus I like the CG look better for SY. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />