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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/02/09 11:29 PM
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So will Knives of Alaska have a booth bringing out new their super duper D2 knives at Blade 2009? Will another cult form? Will I be there saying "pick me"? Will the hogs defect from INFI? OMG!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/02/09 11:38 PM
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So will Knives of Alaska have a booth bringing out new their super duper D2 knives at Blade 2009? Will another cult form? Will I be there saying "pick me"? Will the hogs defect from INFI? OMG!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> Vic Vic wake up you were dreaming again!
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/02/09 11:44 PM
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Just sitting here and wanted to post something that probably qualifies as nothing short of throwing a mixture of gasoline, magnesium, thermite and a touch of HE on the fire.
Want to talk about toughest knives in history? Why aren't we discussing industrial metal shears and punches? Anything that can spend weeks or months punching and cutting components out of steel seems pretty tough to me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
You show me someone who carries an industrial metal shear machine and I'll show you a person who doesn't need a knife in the first place! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> when i was speaking of "toughest knives" i was thinking along the lines of personal knives one could carry,kind of like the ones we all collect. as far a diamond blades and their friction forging i was under the impression that its all about the edge and its edge holding capabilities.i dont know that i would think of them as abnormally tough but thats just my assumption. and when i said "tough" i meant in general.INFI and SR77 are known for their toughness whether it be lateral prying,repeated hard impacts by stuff like noss's mallet or how the edge holds up when chopped on the concrete blocks in noss's videos and stuff.their whole reputation is built on toughness and backed up by their warranty which shoes the faith that the owners have in their toughness. there is without a doubt knives that will out cut any busse kin and i would suspect diamond blades to be one. as far as using a blade for a pry-bar,yeah,i do it all the time both in the woods and out. as far as not seeing a need for better knife technology i dont see a problem with improving things if one can.thats human nature. most people wouldnt notice a difference in performance between 1095 and INFI but most people arent into knives like us.and while the difference may be small in some people eyes and huge in others we wouldnt bother paying for INFI if we werent into better performing cutlery. just the fact that someone is into busse kin knives almost proves their into high performance cutlery and want the absolute best knives they can get.
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/02/09 11:45 PM
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Thanks, CP, I needed that. What a frigging nightmare!
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/03/09 12:12 AM
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Thanks, CP, I needed that. What a frigging nightmare! I use knives a lot. I have only used infi when borrowing from friends. I can't say I noticed any difference in 1095 and infi in the applications - normaly woodsy type thingies - that I use a knife for. I'm definitely a knife nut, but not a performance-whore. In fact, the busse 'infi' trademark is not really what attracts me to their knives, nor does that explain the great success of the bussekin families that use different steels. Great blade designs that wonderfully fulfill their niche, awesome materials, attention to workmanship, and producing knives that work. That is why I'm here. If SY decided to produce a dogfather in 1095 tomorrow, I'd scoop that baby up in a minute and buy another one just for a rainy day. Only because I know if SY produced a dogfather in 1095 that they would do a bang up job of it. Who cares about the steel - not I!
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/03/09 12:35 AM
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i would agree that the designs of the busse knives attract me more than the steel used and the faith i have in busse to do a real good hesat treat regardless of the steel.
and BLD55 i agree too that the same would be true if you substituted the name busse with diamond blade because its going to be true anytime people are paying $300-400 a knife whether the name is busse,diamond blade,strider ect. ect.
i havnt read the wayne goddard thing because i dont doubt their performance and while i'm sure its informative and honest its not like he would say something bad about someone he's in business with and something with his name on it.
i would like independent tests,evaluations and thoughts on it and have since its inception but again i dont doubt its performance a bit and while i would like one i just dont know if i'd use it enough for the amount of $$$ they cost and for that amount i would need to try one myself first which of coarse i dont see how unless i meet someone that has one.
they where at BLADE last year and i did get to hold them but thats about it.
i wonder if they can patent "friction forging" themselves or if anyone who wants too can do it.when ot first came out they called it "the future" of cutlery and i've been curious and waiting to see if other companies start using friction forged technology in their knives.
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/03/09 12:40 AM
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Yes 115 degrees is real hard to argue with with no chipping or cracking, the most I have gone was a dead flat 90 with one of my own using L6, with a small crack, but still it was a crack, thats why a true MS blade can and will most certainly compete with any blade there is. I like what Jerry has done with infi, and the truth is no one is really gonna go out and beat there knife to death except on purpose, and when that decision is made, it will break, anyone can break anything, I am a Rat lover at heart, not over the top price, good looks, great steel, and feels good to me. as far as yards go, I love the res c, the edge holds just well enough for basically what these blades are designed for, beating through some wood, or a dependable tool to get nasty with.
I break it down like this for me when I'm in the woods for a couple months
by the fire. a S.Y. to split wood a S.R. to go get the wood a stray arrow stuck in a tree at hunting camp, dig it out with a S.Y. skin some elk- my custom D2's or A2's and 01--all depends on my mood. get home, find a good deal on a Busse, and trade it for the new S.Y.'s and S.R.'s
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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02/03/09 12:43 AM
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I've got a static forged blade. It's eons ahead of the rest. It is created by purchasing a high-end blade (Bussekin, Diamond, U-name-it) and then placing it in a safe never too have the edge touched by anything ever again. Notice the emphasis on EVER. Now that's TOUGH!
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I think their prices are somewhat reasonable considering the effort involved in making them. Technology, energy, man-hours. Made in USA. All of those factors make these blades(and that includes the other makers) worth the moola. It's the economical crunch that is making it difficult to afford them, let's face it- not everyone LOVES the steel. Blasphemy I tell you.
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Re: Toughest Knives In History???
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I am having a hard time understanding who wants or needs knife steel any better than what we have now. For most applications, I have found that a well tempered 1095 does pretty much anything I might want to do with a knife. For salt water use, the 440 series and even 420HC seem to work. The Busse-tempered S7 is remarkably tough and affordable. INFI is actually better than I need for most uses. Just my two cents. BTW, the earth is flat. At least here on the coastal plain. In my case there is all the time a will for getting something better. Just think about it... just think about what would mean a 1 millimeter thick knife resisting as much as a fat Battle Mistress and furthermore keeping the edge shaving sharp after chopping rock or digging into rocky ground... In this case your thinner knife will absolutely cut better and weight less. Instead of its own weight, you might think of a system of adding to its blade weights that you find in the field (for example rocks) in order to have the proper weight for effectiveness in chopping. And that knife would never weight you down. Of course, what I'm talking about does not exist and is not achiavable with current technology. It's just my fiction. But I want just to say that always there can be something better and which can make your life in the field easier. The thicker your knife, the stronger it is; but with a cost in cutting performance. Talking about what exists today, there is no knife which sharpened at a 10 (or less) degrees angle can cut a can in a hurry and still be shaving sharp and have no kind of deformation (not even INFI). The thinner your knife and the sharper it is, the better it cuts. If the toughness, strength and deformation resistance can be maintained or increased while decreased thickness at the same time, then it's easy to imagine why you'd need a better knife than you already have. In conclusion, there is (and will always be) a need for better (at least for me). I will always be dreaming at a needle thin tip and shaving blade edge lasting forever while doing anything with the knife....
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