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Re: survival food ideas [Re: northern1] #265328 03/02/09 08:57 PM
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Hi Northern, you gave me a good tip about using a dremmel sanding drum to clean up my CS Khukri handle for comfort...so let's see if I can help on your food question.

When doing S/F selection you need to be able to intake high calories and keep moving....60 miles in 18 hours in the hills is the "peak"....but there are many other days of build up. To keep going you need to be good on "nutrition" awareness and that boils down to understanding your bodies metabolic absorbtion of calories.

What we use is 35mm photo film canisters and different coloured electric tape rapped round them to distinguish what is in each. You need to prep the canisters with a good warm water wash and divide them up into three "calorie" groups.

For your "water bottle" I buy the "Revenge" training supplement powder...the high energy drink stuff...here is the link
http://www.nicemuscle.com/revenge-energy-drink-powder-78862.htm
it is balanced to give a quick absorption of calories, vitamins and stuff to help break down lactic acid created by muscle energy burn....because day after day of activity can cause serious cramps...you can tip in the powder from the cannister and I carried a plastic "spork" or as we called them "racing spoons" to stir it in and for use with the other stuff below. Trim the spoon so it can fit in the bottle neck and in the cannisters...it needs to be "tea spoon size"
but with a long handle to get to the bottom or you can make your own telescopic handle and glue it to the spoon...I carried this in my shoulder pen pocket.

Using stuff like this is the best and fastest way to enable you to stay on top of fatigue in a survival situation. Use the scoop to fill a cannister for the recommended dosage for your water bottle capacity. The shelf life on the powder id pretty good and is great for survival kit and the cannisters can be liberally scattered around your jacket pockets or webbing pouches or whatever.

Using a different coloured tape for a longer sustained calorie burn ability you need a mix of carbohydrates and protein...power bars are the handy "middle ground" for an energy release...and for longer metabolism release I would boil up brown rice and mix it with smooth peanut butter and scoop this into the alternative cannisters...using the Spork or just your fingers you can get this mix down your neck quickly whilst still moving...small regular intake helps...and also take amino acid supplement tablets to help break down and metabolise the protein...take them as guided...and they are kept in the cannisters with the third colour tape. The colours make for easy recognition of what is what when you are moving...

You need more drinks powder than rice and peanut butter but you can work out what is best for you....the rice and peanut butter is quite long lasting but watch the rice though....however the rice is the best form of energy release...you need a slow release because otherwise you are just fast loading your blood with fruit type carbo's and this creates a bad "high and low" effect.

It is a long time since I used all this stuff like I used to...but it does work.

In my day you could get old film cannisters for free from a photo developing shop...you maybe still can but with digital camera's now taking over these are getting rarer...so find a box load and look after them...they are a great size for all sorts of survival use applications. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Steel Fan] #265329 03/04/09 01:48 AM
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Your question as to what food to store in your BOB is a good one.
Im looking forward to so some of the advice given.



(reason for edit: too much info and wrong topic)

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Re: survival food ideas [Re: FuGaWee] #265330 03/04/09 02:29 AM
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I think the Dogs have covered it.

On a different note, I have heard good stuff about the 'Mountain House' products and they are available at Walmart. I've yet to try them but they have got to be better than MRE's!

Just another possible "survival" option. A friend of mine takes egg beaters on his hikes.


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Art] #265331 03/04/09 02:38 AM
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nuts, jerky, cliff bars, and the little pouches of soups and hot chocolate from lipton and swiss miss.

that's living well. the greatest luxury i ever put in my mouth: nutella. ambrosia couldn't have been that good.


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Magnum22] #265332 03/04/09 02:42 AM
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nuts, jerky, cliff bars, and the little pouches of soups and hot chocolate from lipton and swiss miss.that's living well.

Mag, that's my normal food. Not joking.

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the greatest luxury i ever put in my mouth: nutella. ambrosia couldn't have been that good.

I had a nutella crepe w/fruit yesterday for lunch & a boba iced milk tea. Good stuff. What!?! Contradiction so soon...?


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Art] #265333 03/04/09 03:06 AM
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so either survival would be pretty easy for you or you've got it rough all the time.

there's this guy named maslow you should meet. course i live on special K, yogurt, cold cuts, and whole milk, so screw that guy.


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Magnum22] #265334 03/04/09 03:11 AM
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Maslow's hierarchy of needs is a theory in psychology, proposed by Abraham Maslow in his 1943 paper A Theory of Human Motivation,[2] which he subsequently extended to include his observations of humans' innate curiosity.

See, just a theory. Gotta work out the kinks. And I do try to stay in constant survival mode with a few perks here and there. Plus the fact I don't have a kitchen and hate microwaves doesn't help. Screw that guy.


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Art] #265335 03/04/09 03:14 AM
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hah!

i hate the microwave, too. the toaster oven rules, though.


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Magnum22] #265336 03/04/09 03:27 AM
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This one is the bomb:

Cuisinart Convection Toaster Oven Broiler

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Re: survival food ideas [Re: Magnum22] #265337 03/04/09 04:12 AM
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cliff bars are ok probars are awesome! moose goo is cheaper <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

cliff bars have a tendancy to get gooey in hot temps. my probars were good to go and left me less parched.


microwaves are scary!


maslow hah.........darwin who? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: survival food ideas [Re: mcjhrobinson] #265338 03/04/09 10:19 AM
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Lots of good tips guys, I tend to neglect this area of my kit...

I work in a nuclear power plant, microwaves don't bother me a bit <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Re: survival food ideas [Re: Magnum22] #265339 03/05/09 06:11 AM
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there's this guy named maslow you should meet.


Abraham Harold Maslow, April 1, 1908 – June 8, 1970.

Is he appearing at a séance near you?

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