I am pretty sure I remember seeing the knife you are referring to posted over on Bladeforums.
If we are talking about the same knife, I thought I remember the edge chipping out with a pretty significant chip. - One of the VERY few SR-101 blades I ever saw take any significant damage. *** BUT, it was likely due to the regrinding causing temper damage (?????).

I searched, but cannot find it anymore on bladeforums.

It was shown in a chop-off along with a bunch of choppers. I can't remember who did the chop-off, but the chop-off was pretty controlled on 2"x4" or 2"x6" boards or something.

If I remember correctly, the M6 had been (as you said) significantly customized and included a significant regrinding of the blades edge.

I "believe" (if I remember correctly) the knife was sent back to Eric/Swamp Rat. And in spite of it being determined that temper damage had most likely been done to the edge when it was reground, Eric/Swamp Rat/Busse still covered the knife under warranty. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

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Yeah that's the one buddy, shame we can't find a pic cos it was a great looking knife !

I thought so.

I google searched Bladeforums.com specifically, searched Swamp Rat/Rat Chat as I thought I had seen it mentioned there. I even searched a coupld of differet picture hosting sites, but that was a hassle and no luck.

I am surprised I didn't save the pics to my files. I often do save unique pics to my files. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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For some reason, I keep thinking it may have been River-8 who did that chop-off????

River8 can be found on the SwampForum from time to time.

Yeah... River-8 has been around for a long time. I have actually exchanged some emails with him about some SAR designs in the past. His name is John.

I don't want to post too much about our SAR ideas, thoughts and attempts..... But, I will just say that River-8 (ended up) taking his SAR concept to Bill Siegle and had Bill make what turned out to be a VERY nice knife. ... I want one.



My understanding is that Bill is tweaking a 3rd version (??????) That along with some other knives I want from some makers I don't follow as much like a couple of Koster knives, some NWA knives, and some others that I haven't been able to just plunk down cash for .... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ... yet. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

I actually see River-8 on Bladeforums/Busse-forums more than Rat Chat.... Used to be different.... but, Rat Chat isn't nearly as active as it used to be a few years ago. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> .... However, we didn't have the Scrap Yard forum then either.... so it (sort of) works out I guess. But, many of the old Rat Chat guys don't come here. Some post on Busse forums, some just aren't around as much anymore. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

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KG, isn't it a shame that many have not made it over here. Honestly, I was a bit of a hold out and didn't come over here till recently but am so glad I did. After reading River8s post about that knife at the Swamp I contacted Bill and he said something to the effect of working on another version before making them available to me/public. We discussed the throwing of the knife which he said was gross abuse.

I'm not a big knife thrower but the Busse warranty is a major selling point for me.

I actually held out for a few weeks without checking out Scrap Yard or the forum when it first opened. I hate having to open new accounts and such. But, I eventually did and the activity quickly swung to the Yard from the Swamp.

Unfortunate to see that many didn't come over or did, but don't come back much at all.

I miss Trumby's posts, Warren, Xaman and some others.

But, we did pick up a bunch of great new guys here. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />






I tend to have to agree that throwing knives is abusive and can be VERY hard on knives.

I think Bill often uses 5160 which is PLENTY strong for throwing and one of the tougher steels behind INFI and SR-77. I would assume 5160 is generally tougher than 52100 at similar hardness. However, if a tip or edge is ground thin enough to function well as a cutting utinsil, then even with tough steel, those thin areas are prone to severe deformation or even breaking.

Busse has a great warranty and INFI and SR-77 are UBER tough. But, even those could break if you were thinned out for good cutting. I have seen INFI break. But, I think SR-77 us much more prone to roll or deform before breaking.


But, actually, the most common failure caused by throwing knives is handle damage and handle seperation from the scales.

I don't know how Bill attaches his scales.

Still, aside from possible handle damage or minor tip damage, I seriously doubt that SAR knife in 5160 would have any other significant failures from throwing. It looks quite stout and made of tough steel. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I am not an expert on Bill's knives, but I do know he makes some impressive chopper designs that others have raved about. Also, I have seen on multiple occassions where Bill will go out and hard use his own knives. So, I am reasonably confident Bill makes and understands tough knives.

While 5160 is quite tough, I would rather have that knife in INFI, 3V, A2, SR-101 or a few other options.

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One of these days I'm gunna mod a Scrapper or something... I'm dyin to mod something... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I've still got to get around to making the handles for my Swamp Warden, I've got the Micarta, but I gotta get caught up on making pants first... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

Will that ever happen?

Eventually...for sure! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Been wanting to do it for a while, but it has to take a back seat to other projects and orders right now... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I was actually thinking about getting "caught up". Glad to hear it either way.