<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> .... don't get me wrong Bruce. Square choil and larger than I prefer guard or not, I will likely be looking for a way to find money to buy an S5.

I am still confident the S5 is a GREAT design that has a LOT going for it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> .... even if it has a flaw or two. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />


HOWEVER, I am confident, if I get the S5 with a square choil and over-sized guard, I will be wishing it were a rounded choil with a smaller guard.

Further, I am Confident that I might look to buy more than one if the choil/guard were improved. (*** Price dependant of course. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" /> )

IMO, on this knife, the choil/guard design is a VERY relevant factor/feature.

Also, based on the resounding preferences stated by many Dogs, I am VERY confident that if the choil/guard improvements are made, in spite of "Brand specific styling - whatever...", that the S5 WOULD/WILL sell better if the improvements are made. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

And I am CERTAIN, while I contend there is no ONE perfect knife and many people will always prefer different things and variety will always keep us looking for the next thing, that making those choil improvements to the S5 would make the S5 pretty DARN hard to find fault in and ARGUABLY a PERFECT classic Busse and kin knife for the record books! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Generally, I have to agree this seems to be how it is done.

And to some degree in "some" cases, I can appreciate this mentallity. I have read enough posts to see certain design desires to be scattered so randomly over the map, that a business might not have much choice but just use their own experience in a design, make it and move on.

However, in some cases, such as this one, where the majority is over-welmingly in favor of making a few minor tweaks.

If making these tweaks, result in a better knife with increased sales that is desired by MORE people, I wouldn't be able to understand NOT conceding to the masses and Bussiness loyalty bases opinions/requests. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


But,... again, for all I know, the call has already been made and the design may already be committed to. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I will try "Hoping" anyway. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

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I would prefer a round choil and no thumb ramp but then it would be a Bog Dog on steroids! Not that there is anything wrong with that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Keep dreaming! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

WOW! You guys are killing me!

Here's a pic of a Bog Dog blade on top of the Scrapper 5 blade. You are literally giving up less than 1/8 of an inch in cutting edge!

So, what's the advantage? You benefit by gaining valuable width at the ricasso where the grind plunge falls. The grind plunge area is the most susceptible to failure during heavy abuse due to the stress risers introduced by the plunges on each side of the blade. The Scrap Yard "squared" choil greatly improves the durability of the blade against catastrophic failure while providing the user with the ability to choke up on the blade for close-up work.

The blade on the Scrapper 5 is .260" wider than the Bog Dog while the plunge line/ricasso width (thumb ramp not included) is .180" wider!

Poor old Bog Dog NEVER had a chance! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Dan

The strength argument certainly makes sense, but boy does that Bog Dog choil look more comfortable to choke up on... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thanks for clearing it up Dan! i can't wait for the S5 to drop!

The smaller choil is far too small to choke-up on unless you have the hands of a 5 year old. Otherwise you'll experience profuse bleeding at the first knuckle on your index finger, AKA your trigger finger! Your odds of scoring a prize buck will be greatly reduced as just prior to every shot you take your screaming like a school girl will echo throughout the forest. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> LOL

Dan

It's not.

Dan

Thanks for posting the picture Dan! I think that answers a lot of questions. I find the round and square choil as equally comfortable. The biggest difference I see is that the choil begins earlier in the Bog Dog, which can help if you have smaller hands and want to choke up. I can choke up fine on my SOD, but if the distance from the end of the handle to the beginning of the choil was closer, it'd be even better. Either way, I can't wait for the S5!!!

Guys, I gotta be honest, I see nothing wrong with the design of this blade.

Obviously, Dan thought it out, and explained his reasons why he shaped it the way he did (He didn't need to, but it was nice of him to do so), and I honestly am happy with the look and potential feel of the S5 of my hands. If you don't like it, then don't buy it.

It just means more S5s are available for me and others to buy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Personally, I'm hoping to be able to afford to get two LEs and two CGs. They're talking about sending me back over to the sandbox for 2010, and I can't think of a nicer blade to put on my tac vest as an all purpose blade! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />