Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 08:18 PM
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Borrowed a previous drawing and played with it a little. The top drawing is the original. 2nd drawing I imagined grinding off the thumb ramp and removing some Muddy handle at the front finger groove. I also ground down the spine near the butt and then dipped the whole handle in Tooldip to thicken it and add a Res-C type handle further up the blade. 3rd drawing is the next step on where I would grind out the choil into a more finger friendly one. 4th and last is me playing with the idea of shortening the blade a little. If I can afford 3 of these blades then i'll keep one original and mod the other 2 to look something like this lot, hope you like. [img][image] http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu262/andrewtr1977/scrap_mod.png[/img][/image]
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 08:23 PM
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The trademark features I'm referring to seem to be rather recent. My sense is that Dan has made a decision to make his new knives (other than obvious one-offs like the Scrap Muk) incorporate thumb ramps and large, squared choils to reflect his Dog Father and SoD designs. I could be wrong about that, but I don't think I am. Otherwise, following the lines of your reasoning, why would he employ those features in a knife the size of the S5? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Clearly the thumb ramp isn't needed (if it is, why didn't he use it on the S6?) and you've pretty much summarized my feelings on the choil size and placement. So aesthetics seems to be the only logical reason for their existence.
As far as sales and marketing is concerned, normal rules do not apply here. This is Busse Country, and Busse rules apply here. While I believe Dan and Jerry listen to our desires to a certain extent, I suspect they tend to build what pleases them. If what pleases them pleases us, and it usually does, then fine. If not, knives are summarily withdrawn and Dan & Jerry are off to their next design.
PS: When it comes to the S5, color me lemming! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Makes sense to me.
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 08:28 PM
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Dan, thanks for the post on showing the differences. I can see where the squarer choil makes it stronger.
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 08:29 PM
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Guys, I gotta be honest, I see nothing wrong with the design of this blade.
Obviously, Dan thought it out, and explained his reasons why he shaped it the way he did (He didn't need to, but it was nice of him to do so), and I honestly am happy with the look and potential feel of the S5 of my hands. If you don't like it, then don't buy it.
Hey, let's not talk crazy, here.... I might have some minor changes I might prefer just from looking at the knife, but that ain't gonna keep me from buying one (or three). Who knows, once I wrap my hand around it I might find Dan is right and the squared choil is good and comfortable. He's certainly got a lot more experience with these sorts of things. The squared choil certainly does LOOK sexy, and the idea of extra strength definitely helps sway me in favor of this design. All that's left is real-life in-hand comfort... which means I gotta be able to BUY the thing! Two weeks?
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 08:30 PM
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royalm, how would you go about doing that mod? If it was built in micarta, then you could drill out the pins and do that, but not sure how you are going to bring the finger guard back with the res-c. Maybe cutting the tang shorter and res-c (for finger guard) and glue it all back together? It does look good though.
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 08:53 PM
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royalm, how would you go about doing that mod? If it was built in micarta, then you could drill out the pins and do that, but not sure how you are going to bring the finger guard back with the res-c. Maybe cutting the tang shorter and res-c (for finger guard) and glue it all back together? It does look good though. My thinking was I would 'texture' the Muddy handle to provide a good surface for Tooldip to bond to. If need be I would remove the Muddy handle down to a tang and just keep dipping until I have a thick handle. Either way I would build up enough dip that I could then sand it down to a little under the profile I want. Then one last coating of dip to give a smoother finish. Possibly if I strip a handle back to the bare tang then I might need to do a paracord wrap and bulk out areas with the cord then when it comes to dipping it should take several thin even coats to give me the handle I want. Maybe some sanding required and a finishing dip to. I will hold my hands up and say that I have used dip before but not to this extent. Just on chisel handles where it was a plain in and out dip. This is all speculation though as i'm betting the knife will be a pretty good in hand so I might not need to do anything. Just need to know when, and how much this bad boy is going to cost....................... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 08:54 PM
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Dan, I appreciate the comparison pictures. I guess the oversized choil isn't so oversized after all. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 09:05 PM
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MRpink
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I'd be really interested to see how that turns out if you try it. If worst comes to worst, you can take the handles off completely and put on micarta handles which would be sweet.
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 10:46 PM
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Maybe someone here can explain the attributes of a muk to me? Try this: http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/racquette/nessmukbydale.htmlI guess one of the Nessmuk's primary claims to fame is food prep . . . although in thinking about the Scrap Muk, I can't figure out why you'd want to use a 3/16" thick knife for that purpose! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I saw that website. Still eludes me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Honestly, I can think of many blade shapes I would rather use. But again, that's just me.
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Re: Scrapper 5 Combat Grade. . . SR101
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04/14/09 11:27 PM
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WOW! You guys are killing me!
Here's a pic of a Bog Dog blade on top of the Scrapper 5 blade. You are literally giving up less than 1/8 of an inch in cutting edge!
So, what's the advantage? You benefit by gaining valuable width at the ricasso where the grind plunge falls. The grind plunge area is the most susceptible to failure during heavy abuse due to the stress risers introduced by the plunges on each side of the blade. The Scrap Yard "squared" choil greatly improves the durability of the blade against catastrophic failure while providing the user with the ability to choke up on the blade for close-up work.
The blade on the Scrapper 5 is .260" wider than the Bog Dog while the plunge line/ricasso width (thumb ramp not included) is .180" wider!
Poor old Bog Dog NEVER had a chance! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
Dan Dan, I think the knife is perfect the way it is. Your explanation adds more background and the reasoning behind it, and although it was not required it sure is appreciated. There are very few places the public can have such direct access to the manufacturer. The Yard's a great place to be. As I said earlier, I will have an LE thank you very much <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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04/14/09 11:31 PM
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