Usual Suspects forum has a really cool Zombie defence section called ZEDU that uses zombie defence ideas to make survival preparedness more fun. Basically "if you are prepared for a Zombie holocaust you are prepared for anything".
So show us your zombie gear and tell us what steps you have taken to prepare for the inevitable zombie assault. Weapons like guns ,swords ,axes and my newest close range zombie deanimator the Dogfather bowie are obvious but also body armour ,home security and madmax style zombie trucks are what we want to see. Also I want to hear tactics and strategy, I think the refugees will be more dangerous than the zombies. Discusion of the zombie media like the exellent World War Z and the Walking Dead would be appropriate.

You are scaring the Horn Dog with all this zombie stuff. But I am preparing, just in case. Just got some new Hi cap mags for the Beretta. Here is my CQB knife.

I've collected a small armory to supply friends and family. Here's part of it.

Step 1. Have a Dog Father


Practice chopping air with it, chop stuff, baton wood.
Then gaze into its blade with feral eyes and begin to drool.
Then you shall be possessed like Unsub, and start zombie threads like this.

ted, that khuk on the left, looks 28"-30" oal, i can't tell if i see fullers. is that a siru? please, tell us about it.

It's a 25" Chilangi. Most of my HI khuks are chits or at least have fullers.

LR rifle for the ~500meter+ zombies
shotgun for getting close
DF for the "personal" work!

1-LR rifle ~1600 meters

Sword for Close Work

DF for the rest


Bors

[/quote]1-LR rifle ~1600 meters

Sword for Close Work

DF for the rest


Bors [/quote]
Tracer burnout on a .50 cal is 1600 meters. What is your LR?

Sharps....


Bors

A old Sharps? 1600 m? Not.

.45-70 at Two Miles: The Sandy Hook Tests of 1879 RIFLE MAGAZINE, NOVEMBER-DECEMBER 1977THE SHOOTER at the heavy bench rest squinted as he aligned his .45-70 Allin-Springfield Model 1873 Army rifle on the distant target. The rifle fore-stock and barrel was cradled in a rest; the butt was supported by his shoulder. The rear sight was flipped up to its full height, so with no stock support for his head, the rifle tester from Springfield Armory worked carefully to align high rear and low muzzle sight on the speck that was the target - a surveyed 2,500 yards distant. Holding his breath, he squeezed the 7-pound trigger. The rifle fired, and some 15 seconds later, signals from the target indicated that his shot had struck well inside the 6-foot diameter bullseye on a target well over a mile away! The Report of the Secretary of War, 1880, Volume III, under the chapter titled, "Extreme Ranges of Military Small Arms," had this to say: "The firing was done by Mr. R.T Hare of Springfield Armory who has the enviable distinction, so far as is known, of being the only person in the world who has hit the 'Bull's-Eye' six feet in diameter at 2,500 yards with three different rifles, and who has ever fired at and hit so small a target as that described in this report at 3,200 yards. In comparison with this, all other so-called 'long range firing' pales into insignificance. The gun was held under the arm, a muzzle rest only being used." The chapter on long range firing begins with a report from the Armory at Springfield, Massachusetts, May 9, 1879. It records the results of long range tests of U.S. Army Model 1873 .45-caliber rifles using 405 and 500-grain lead bullets, including variations in muzzle velocity and penetration of lead bullets through one-inch target boards and into sand. These tests were made at the request of the Chief of Ordnance. His interest had been aroused by reports of long range infantry fire, up to 1½ miles, during the1877-78 Turko-Russian War. The line age of the "trapdoor" rifles used in the tests is apparent from the separate lock plate, the massive side hammer, the milling out of a portion of barrel and fitting a breechblock hinged at the front - all clear indications that the rifles were merely breech-loading variations of the traditional muzzle-loading infantry-man's rifle. The Allin conversion of the 1861 and 1863 models Springfield muzzle-loaders came out first in .58 caliber rimfire. Later refinements resulted in the .50-70 rimmed centerfire for the 1866 model. The .45-70 cartridge was first introduced with the Model 1873 single shot Springfield. Several model changes were made from 1873 through 1889, relatively minor differences being the type of sights, modified and improved breech-blocks and changes in stock furniture. The first long range tests were made at ranges of up to 1,500 yards on the Springfield Armory test range at Long Meadow, Massachusetts. These tests compared the long distance shooting and penetration performance of the .45 caliber trapdoor Springfield and the .45 caliber Martini-Henry rifles. The Springfield rifle weighed about 9.6 pounds, had a rifle barrel 33 inches long with a bore diameter of .450-inch, three grooves and a right hand twist and groove depth of .005-inch. It fired the then standard Service round consisting of the 405-grain bullet in the rimmed straight case 2.1 inches long with 70 grains of black powder giving a muzzle velocity (MV) of 1,350 feet-per-second (fps). With the same weight of bullet and a charge of 85 grains of powder, the MV was 1,480 fps. The British Army .450-577 Martini-Henry lever-operated, drop-block action was far stronger than the Allin trapdoor breech. The Martini-Henry weighed about 9½ pounds, had a barrel 33 inches long with a right-hand twist, seven groove bore. The bore diameter was .450, and the groove diameter was .463. The .450-577 Martini-Henry cartridge was a muscular creation. It was based upon a sharply necked-down and lengthened .577-inch Snider case, loaded with a 480-grain lead bullet of .445 diameter, backed by 85 grains of black powder for a muzzle velocity of 1,253 fps. The following table gives the angles of elevation for these loads from the actual test firings at 1,000 and 1,500 yards. Accuracy firings of the rifles were made at 300, 500 and 1,000 yards.
SPRINGFIELD and MARTINI-HENRY ANGLES OF ELEVATION 1,000 yards 1,500 yards.45-85-405 Springfield Long Range 2d 40' 53" 4d 35' 34".45-70-405 Springfield Service 3d 6' 37" 5d 20' 4".45-85-480 Martini-Henry 3d 18' 36" 5d 41' 24"VERTICAL and HORIZONTAL SHOT DISPERSION AT 1,000 YARDS Mean Mean Mean Horizontal Vertical Radius Springfield 9.23" 16.8" 19.1" Martini-Henry 10.9" 14.55" 18.2"
Though there is no direct relationship between mean radius and group size figures, a mean radius of 18 to 19 inches would probably translate into a group size of between 55 and 70 inches. Old Ordnance records show that when fired from a machine rest the .45 Springfield was expected to group all of its bullets inside a 4-inch circle at 100 yards, in a 11-inch bull's-eye at 300 yards, and inside a 27-inch circle at 500 yards. At 1,000 and 1,500 yards, as expected, the mean vertical figures are considerably larger than the mean horizontal. (See the above table.) This is the result of variations in muzzle velocity, which gives this dispersion at long range, and also the effect of the high trajectory of these rifle bullets since the target is perpendicular to the ground, while the bullet is descending at an angle. The report of October 15, 1879, covers long range firing at Sandy Hook, New Jersey. This was done along the beach to make the location of the bullet strike easier to find. Also, the long beaches allowed shooting back to 3,200 and even 3,500 yards. The rifles tested included a special "long range" Springfield chambered for a 2.4-inch shell instead of the standard 2.1-inch case. The 2.4-inch case held 80 grains of black powder behind the new prototype 500-grain lead bullet. The other loads tested were the standard .45-70-405 Army load in the issue M-1873 Springfield, and the .45-85-480 load in the British Martini-Henry rifle. The report states that a leaf to the rear sight several inches long was prepared in order to obtain the necessary elevation. A combination of the V-notch slide of the regular issue sight and a screw at the bottom of the leaf afforded means of correcting for wind and drift. The target, which had been 12 feet by 12 feet square at 1,500 yards, was changed to one 44 feet long by 22 feet high. The extended wings had a height of 16 feet. Since one of the test's objectives was to gauge bullet penetration, the huge target consisted of three 1-inch thick boards, separated by 1-inch cleats. The target was supported on 6-inch spruce posts and was constructed partly of spruce and partly pine, since this was the wood at hand. In the tests at 2,500 yards, the target was hit five times in seventy rounds with the .45-70-405 service load, only once with the Martini-Henry in eighty rounds, and four times with the long range Springfield in thirty shots. When the Springfield long range cartridge was fired, the 500-grain blunt nosed lead bullets propelled by 80 grains of black powder in the 2.4-inch cases at about 1,375 fps penetrated right through the three inches of wooden target and buried themselves in the sand. One 500-grain slug pierced three inches of target and buried itself in a supporting six-inch post, giving a total penetration of a measured 5.25 inches. The Service 405-grain bullet gave a penetration of just 1.12 inches, and the Martini-Henry 480-grain bullet, 2.50 inches. Angles of rifle elevation were: Springfield service .45-70-405 - 17°08'16"; Springfield long range .45-80-500 - l0°38'21"; and Martini-Henry .45-85-480 - 13°20'18". The angle made by the shot holes with the face of the target appeared to be about 40 degrees for the service Springfield, 45 degrees for the Martini-Henry, and 50 degrees for the long range Springfield. This angle is taken from the vertical and thus the lower angular reading indicates the higher angle of descent. Various kinds of bullets were dug out of the sand within 45 feet of the target and directly behind it. This shows the great angle of trajectory at this range and how extremely difficult it was for Mr. R.T. Hare to hit a 2,500-yard target the size of the one used. The target 22 feet high by 44 feet long was then placed at 3,200 yards from the firer. The range chosen was fortunate in that it was found to be the extreme for the Martini-Henry. When the firer was instructed to increase his elevation, the range decreased. On decreasing the elevation, the range increased to a certain point. The majority of the Martini .45-85-480 balls fell from 50 to 100 yards short, while the others did not go more than 25 yards beyond. More than 300 Martini-Henry cartridges were fired, but the target was not hit. The long range Springfield's 500-grain bullets hit the target four times - twice where it was one board thick, and twice where it was two boards thick. In each case the heavy blunt nosed lead bullet punched through the wood planks and buried itself several inches into the sand. At this extreme surveyed range, the angle of fall of the Martini 480-grain lead bullets was about 65 degrees to 70 degrees judging from the holes in the moist sand. Bullets were found in the sand behind the 22-foot-high target at a distance of only 35 feet. It was evident that they struck the sand point on, as the lead noses were always found rough. In the case of the long range Springfield, the angle of the shot hole with the face of the target was about 30 degrees and the heavy bullet in punching through two one-inch boards actually penetrated a total of 2.5 inches. Those lead slugs that struck in the sand generally penetrated to a depth of 8 to 10 inches, sometimes more. In this respect the Armory's 500-grain balls surpassed the Martini's 480-grain balls, which did not penetrate more than 6 inches into sand. In trying to get the correct 3,200-yard elevation, the long range bullets were thrown over 300 yards beyond the target. These were then dug out of the beach and all were found to have struck point on. For the .45-80-500 2.4-inch case Springfield long range rifle at a MV of about 1,375 fps, the angle of elevation was 20°51'37". For the .45-85-480 Martini-Henry at 1,253 fps MV, the angle of elevation was 26°5l'. The report of November 13, 1879, lists the results of firing tests made at 3,500 yards distance with two long range Springfields. One had a rifle barrel with a l-in-18 rifling twist, the other .45-80-500 had a 19 5/8-inch twist. Two different loads were used: .45-70-500, and .45-80-500. The Martini-Henry .45-85-480 and the service .45-70-405 Springfields were again tested against a Sharps-Borchardt using the same loads as in the long range M-1873 Allin-Springfields. After firing many rounds, the service Springfield and Martini-Henry rounds failed to reach the target at 3,500 yards. In these firing experiments, two telephones provided with Blake transmitters were used for timing the bullet's flight. One was placed within a few feet of the rifle, to receive and transmit the sound of the shot. The other Blake unit was nearly two miles downrange in the shelterproof, which was located about 30 feet in front of the right edge of the target. At the instant the sound of the discharge was heard over the telephone, a watch ticking fourth-seconds was started. At the sound of the bullet striking target or sand, it was stopped. Average time of flight for the .45-70-500-grain load was 21.2 seconds, With the more powerful .45-80-500-grain cartridge the time-of-flight was 20.8 seconds. For 3,500 yards distance, angles of elevation ran from 27 degrees to 29 degrees. This varied drastically from day to day due to the effects of head and tail winds. The quicker-twist rifles required less elevation than the others at the same range. The greatest distance obtained with the .45-caliber long range, 1-in-18 twist Springfield rifle was 3,680 yards. Angle of elevation didn't exceed 32 degrees on a day when an angle of about 25 degrees placed bullets all around the target at 3,500 yards range. While these tests may be considered mere oddities today, they proved extremely useful at the time. The fact that the 500-grain bullet penetrated through the three-plank target and eight inches into sand meant that it could kill or wound enemy troops at extreme distances, even if they were partially protected and that was significant military information in a period when it was quite usual for large masses of troops to form up within view of defenders. Although no average infantryman could be expected to equal Mr. Hare's accuracy, a large number of defenders shooting from barricade rests and given the proper sight adjustments for the range could severely harass companies and larger bodies of enemy troops at previously unheard-of ranges. It may have been these tests, and this line of thinking, that caused military theoreticians to employ machine guns for indirect, high trajectory fire in the same manner as artillery during the earlier stages of World War I. Since the tests showed that the 405-grain service bullet failed to perform as well as the 500-grain, and that the 500-grain bullet showed relatively little difference when propelled by either 70 or 80 grains of black powder, the .45-70-500 load in the service 2.1-inch case was adopted as standard for rifles. Thus those little-remembered Sandy Hook tests of 1879 had a lasting impact on firearms history without them, the gun companies might have recently resurrected the .45-80. W. John Farquharson Reprinted with permission from the November/December 1977 issue of Rifle Magazine, [www.riflemagazine.com].

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Bors

By Mike Venturino "How Far Will A Sharps Shoot"


Just how far will a Sharps rifle throw a bullet? Most people will not believe it when told, so let me give you some background.

Back in November 1992, Dennis Bardon, Shiloh Rifle Manufacturing's custom gunsmith, and Wolfgang Droege, former shiloh owner, and I accompanied Kirk Bryan, one of the Shiloh's present owners, to the government proving grounds at Yuma, Ariz. Shiloh had been approched by a group of froensic scientists that was going to have aseminar there. For this meeting, the scientists were going to have acess to some newly declassified radar devices that would actually track a single bullet in flight.
What the scientists specifically wanted was a .50-90 rifle because one of them had writtenin their newsletter that Billy Dixoncould not have made his famous 1,538 yard shot in 1874. That particular scientist had calculated that a Sharps couls not push . .50 caliber bullet that far.
the first load triedconsisted of a 675-grain .50 caliber bullet propelled by 90 grains of FFg. using Yuma's own gun cradle,which had been converted from a russian T-72 tank gun carrier,the Shiloh Model 1874 was elebvated to 35 degrees and a roundtouched off.I was inside, looking at the computer screens over the scientists shoulders.When the data were read they started muttering, "it couldn't be" it just couldn't be!"
You see they couldn't accept that a blackpowder-powered bulletthat left the muzzle at 1,216 feet per second (fps), could have landed 3600 yards away!
Several fellows muttered"something must not be working right. Shoot another one."
This time the bullet weighed just 650 grains (still over 90 grains of FFg)and left the muzzle at 1,301 fps. Again, with the muzzle elevatedto 35 degrees, the bullet landed 3,245 yards down range. the scientist who wrote that Billy Dixon ballistically could not have made a 1,538 yard shot got very red in the face.
From there on out, it was all fun. we elevated the muzzle to 45 degrees and fired another of the loads with 650 grain bullets. Muzzle velocity was 1,275fps. the bullet impacted out at 3,190 yards, but the amazing part was that it went 4000fps(typo?)high and was in the air a full 30 seconds.
One scientist had a laptop computer along, and after a bit of tapping on it said, "Elevate your muzzle to about 4.5 degrees and you'll get a Billy Dixon shot." We did and the bulletlanded at 1,517 yards. Wetried one light bullet loadin the .50-90.
It carried a 450-grain bullet over 100 grains of FFg. again elevated to 35 degrees, and point of impact that time was 2,585 yards. Certainly, the bullet weight does make a difference.
Next, we turned to a .45-110 loaded with 550-grain bulletsover 100 grains of FFg. Muzzlevelocity was 1,322 fps, and impact was 3,575 yardsdown range. This was with 35 degree muzzle elevation. Then we dropped the elevation to 5 degrees and fired another round.This time muzzle velocity was 1,361 fps and the bullet traveled 1,430 yards.
The last rifle we tested was a shiloh chambered for 45-70 Sharps Straight. bullet weight was 403 grains, and powder charge of 60 grains of FFg. The bullet left the muzzle at 1,333 fps, and with the muzzle elevatedto 5 degrees it hit the ground at 1,155 yards.
Keep in mind, you potentialSharps shooters, none of this is just hearsay. It was done by scientists under controlled conditions. So, when someone asks you how far a Sharps will shoot, you can safely say, "A long, long way,"




Bors

Wow. I had no idea.

Sharps "Old Reliable"




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Bors

Wether or not I can hit something at that range is a different story LOL, but at least the sharps can.




Bors

The max "effective" range of the M2 HB MG was considered to be 2000 m when I was a tanker. The cal .50 MG is a really powerful round, [censored] near artillery.
I could not imagine hitting anything that far off with a Sharps. Sounds like Quigley Down Under. But I guess I am wrong. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Pulled this from wiki



The current record for the longest-range confirmed sniper kill is 2,430 meters (7,972 feet or 1.51 miles), accomplished by Canadian sniper, Corporal Rob Furlong, of the third battalion Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry (3 PPCLI), during the invasion of Afghanistan, using a .50 cal. BMG (12.7 mm) McMillan bolt-action rifle. The bullet's time of flight was around four seconds, and it dropped some 150 feet. The previous record-holder was U.S. Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock, who achieved it during the Vietnam War, with a kill at 2,250 meters: he had a career total of 93 confirmed kills.



Bors

I was familiar with Hathcock's kill. The longest shot I've ever made with a rifle is 600 m with a .308.

These guys are making 2-3"groups at a 1000 meters <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />




Ranges on the 50 are insane I fired a barrett semi auto awhile back <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Maybe someday now that I live in a friendly State <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />



Bors

I bet that was fun. I loved shooting the M2, but US paid for the ammo!

I have fired out to about 1000 yards takes awhile............................
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for the bullet to get there. LOL

Lots of fun.


Bors

What's fun is shooting a 50 from a tank. Like a big ole fire-breathing garden hose. Just walk it in.

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$5.00 a BOOM adds up quick I only fired it a few times there was a lot more to shoot there also.


Bors

LOL I will pass better to be behind it than infront of it.



Bors

The hunting terrain is flat and heavily wooded here. Unless you're on a gas line or over a bean field, no need for a long range rifle here. A 30-30 or a .44 mag will get the job done here. Sold my .308 for that reason. My "long range" zombie gun is a .223 Mini-14 with a ARS HB 1/9 twist. I can hit a pie plate out to about 500 m on a good day with 62gr.

After the 50 I ran a magazine through an 1880s 45-70 gatling gun. WOW talk about kicking up a lot of stuff down range. Puts bullets all over the place.




Bors

Thats to keep their heads down while the infantry manoeuvres on em.

Yep it's about the same in Missouri 200 yards max mostly 50-100 yard stuff.

.44 mag is a great gun thinking about getting another one. Gave my super blackhawk
to my dad that left me a 70s vintage virginian dragoon, needs a little work but it's a good gun.



Bors

Thinking about a ruger redhawk I really like those.



Bors

I have a good friend who uses a Marlin 1894 .44mag. He stopped using his 308 Tikka years ago. The .44 is a very good close range deer rifle. I have a Win 1894 in .44 magnum. His is slightly more accurate than mine, but either one is good enough out to about 150 yds.

Had one. Hated it. Get the S&W 429.

Really OK what did you hate about it?


I like the looks and feel of the 29 especially the short throw hammer but I heard the frame on SW-29s would bend with to many 44mag loads?



Bors

The .50 is a beast. I'd use that M2 to kill Zombies w/ any day of the week!

A Big beast <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />





Bors

Mine was inaccurate and heavy. As long as you keep the loads within reason the S&W is fine. An occasional bear load won't hur it. Just my experience. Others have had the opposite happen.

I've fired a few of them at ranges, but never had a 1 on 1 relationship with one. Now, my M249 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon) was a killer!!

We had the m60s. Isn't the saw a 5.56 mm?

Yeah, Saw is 5.56. I've never fired a M60

Bet thats a fun little gun. Looks a lot like a Browning to me. Is it?

Have not fired either sounds like fun.


Have fired a WWII Thompson 45 fullauto, 45cal Grease gun Full Auto and a full auto 45 Sten with a silencer.


Lots of fun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



Bors

Where is Bors? He must be eating or something. He is thinking about getting a Ruger Redhawk. I had one and hated it. I like the Blackhawk, though.

Most of our stuff is FN now... I think thats who is making the 249 as well.


I've fired a Thompson, but not full auto.

My dad had a Blackhawk. Thats the 45LC right?

We had M3s. Slow rate of fire. Easy to control. Standard tanker stuff back then.

I'm here


Drinking a few beers tho




Bors

And I thought my long range rifle was old school. I have a Parker Hale Enfield with the beautiful montecarlo stock and PH heavey barrel. It is the only rifle in canada that can legally hold 10 rounds(everything else is pinned at 5). It is the fastest smoothest boltgun (the Krag is nice to)and PH does an amazing job when they made it basicly using the Enfield action on a custom rifle. Unfortunatly I can't afford a real Parker Hale bipod and have to go with a fake Harris for now.
303 might seem like a strange choice but it is like 30-06 here in canada and is available at every gas station.I also have plans to make a scout rifle version(like a bolt action Socom 16) out of a bubba'd enfield with a synthetic stock ,red dot scope and good irons with the ability to use the clip loading system.

Another of my favorite rifles that I don't own is a Norinco M305 which is a chinese version of a semiauto M14. They are extremly reliable and at 399$ canadain
make an awesome platform for customizing. This version with all the bells and whistles is still cheaper than a stock Springfield version.


Another semi auto I like is the .300 winmag BAR. The .300 is a very powerfull round that unlike the 338 Lapua does not cost 6$ a shot and since it looks like a deer gun is very nonthreating to sheeple.

OOOOH. Looks like the Viet Nam sniper version.

Slow but they have a nice rythym...45cal <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


Bors

Both rifles are in 7.62x39. They'd come in handy.

These would come in handy too.

Nice.......

Yep the 300 WM is powerfull and slides under the rader.


Bors

"I've got rythum..." They were fun. So go shoot a Redhawk and see how you like it. I just shot better with the smith or the super blackhawk.

Good caliber. My only 7.62x39 is a Yugo AK-47. I love it. Looks like you guys are ready for the revolution...I mean zombie attacks.

I'm not sold on it just attracted to it. I still really like the super blackhawk and the S&W 29 2.5" barrel I fired was sweet but I'm still undecided.



Bors

Yeah, the Commi round sure isn't bad!

Unfortunately - a lot of brave American's have died by that round.

I shoot it because its economical and has great performance.

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I'm not sold on it just attracted to it. I still really like the super blackhawk and the S&W 29 2.5" barrel I fired was sweet but I'm still undecided.


Bors [/quote]
Mine was a 7 3/8" bbl I think. Now I shoot a S&W 686 plus 7 shooter in .357 mag.

There's a New Dog in the New Dogs thread - check him out!

And you don't have to wear ear plugs to enjoy it.

Good call! I plan on taking a deer w/ the AR, haven't done it yet though.

Didn't want to start a new thread, but this is whats coming up for the Busse Ganza

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=461464

Too small for me I think. I'm waiting for an EDC sized blade from Dan. I want a mid-sized Busse.

Should do fine on deer with Russian hp. Great caliber. I wish my ARs were in 7.62x39.

Hard to get mags for them though HD. All I can get so far are like 10rd Polymer box mags - the 30 rnd is just for pix. It uses a 5.56 lower, you just need the 7.62 upper.

Don't know if you guys missed my post on the previous page - check the New Dogs thread.

Mine was a 7 3/8" bbl I think. Now I shoot a S&W 686 plus 7 shooter in .357 mag. [/quote]


My ruger was a 7 1/2" now I shoot a Glock 17 and a ruger SP101 38spl. My dragoon started out as a 8 3/8 but too many hot loads blew out the forcing cone now it's a 5".



Bors

Bors, if you are one of the hot load guys, maybe a Super Redhawk is for you.

Why did you have to show me that!!!!!

I really like the Muddy Meaner Street design.



DAN....................





Bors

I'd rather have a scrapper 6 than those.

I used to be I got that out of my blood in my younger years. Now I just want a .44 I can load to around 800-1000 FPS with some full loads mixed in. nothing hot. Something that will last awhile.




Bors

The 29 or 629 are sweet shooters, Bors.

I'm gonna go w/ Scrapper 6. I'll get in on the Busses when they've got EXACTLY what I'm looking for...! Gotta be REAL choosey when it comes down to the $$ - not gonna let my OCD drag me down w/ the INFI! Gotta stay selective!

SCRAPYARD is for the OCD guys!! Like me...

You got me thinking!!!!!



Bors

I like my Marlin 45/70... I may have to pick up a revolver of the same caliber...

Who makes one? That would have a long cylinder.

Magnum research... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I'll try and find a link

Here ya go:
http://www.magnumresearch.com/BFR.asp

Great for when you need a creative way to break your wrist!

BFR huh? You could kill a grizzly with that thing. And break your wrist.

At least it hurts the bear more than you!

I like it. I could shoot the Hell Hog with one.

I like the 7.62/39 but the prices have gone through the roof since the war.
I read a really intersting interview with a soviet sharpshooter and he said the
average soldier liked the new 5.45 bullet more than the old 7.62/39 and prefered the regular AK74 to the Krinkov. He also had to sleep with his cheekpiece as it fit the AK as well as the SVD and was in huge demand in afgahnistan. He also said he liked the 4X scope for shots out to 6oo metres because of the huge FOV and the awesome reticle. For those who don't know the soviet scopehad a reticle that if you had a 5 foot 10 inch object to range on(like an enemy soldier)you could tell the range at a glance. It is an awesome scope and I am serieously considering one.
If it had enough eye relief for a scout mount i would get one for sure.

I handload for the GG. 400gr. slugs at 1800fps. You feel it...

IT does and it's sweet to fire <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



I have a marlin cowbow 45-70 sweet gun <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


Bors

Have you tried garrett's 540gr hammer heads @ ~1550 fps. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



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Hard to get custom loaded ammo up here. have to make your own for the heavy stuff. although that would rock!

It does altho he is expensive.


Oregon trail makes a really nice 500gr hard lead cast. I have some on the bench normaly I load their 405s



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Are they gas checked?

No. Don't think you need to in bigbore calibers there enriched with silver and hit the brinell scale at around 24+.



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Good call - prices on those rounds have almost tripled - but are still not that expensive. I got 1,000 rnds for $150 a few months back, which should last me until the prices drop again.

Not if they are that hard! Just keep em at slower velocities

If your interested they will send you free samples of bullets in what ever caliber.





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Most companies won't due that for us canucks... Too much red tape these days... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Give em a try you never now the worst they can do is say no.



There the best cast bullets I have seen. The prices are very good. At least from my end.



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I'll look them up then!

We can't even order brass from the states anymore without an export permit...

That really sucks !!!!!!!
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Tell me about it. Bullets are even worse..

I would love to start reloading and making my own cast bullets. I have also heard of people using 7.62/39 bullets as varmint bullets in reloaded 303's. An average 303 is 165 to 180 grains so a 55grain 7.62 would be interesting.

It would scream! I would be worried about the copper transfer to the barrel... They are not really smooth in there.

Sorry I am late, wow what a busy day for me now I can join in.

A little back on the subjest of really long range and really high accuracyI will put my vote in for the .408 cheyTac I have never even touched one but but reading about it shure makes me intrested
http://www.cheytac.com/HubPage.html
as for price I am too affraid to ask.
it is just under $14k for the top M-200-civ (civilian) with the whole long range computerized weather/balistic kit

I really know jack when it comes to ballistics and all that...

As an X Army guy, I just know how to shoot and maintain a rifle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But I'm good at both!!

408 is prohibited for export.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Another item that requires me to live vicariously through others...

wow, took the zombie thing pretty serious.

You gotta watch our zombies... They are frozen so you need some real power to deal with them! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Flamethrower <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />



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Flames and zombies - Not a good combo. It's hard to drop and roll when you're being smothered by a burning fetid zombie.

Good point.....



Since their frozen just hit them with a hammer.......




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Wow.. there are some hardcore anti-zombie Snipers in here..

good to know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />