full zero is more steel.. not less

I respectfully beg to differ, MS. It uses less steel in the zero grind than it does in the normal grind that Dan uses.

Just looking at the examples in the article prove that.

i think i see what youre saying...as a comparison of stock removal a full zero would mean taking less steel off. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

see what I'm saying?
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it is a zero.

i voted in favor. i don't hear any complaints about the scrapper six LE, and i think it's a good idea to give the LE further distinction from the CG knives. if you're afraid of what will happen to a thin edge, just get the CG. if you're worried about the increase in price, just get the CG. "let the buyer do it" relates to a complaint that has been mounted AGAINST manufacturers for not making knives sharp enough. if dan can pull it off, he should. more reason for us to get both.

I accept you have more steel at the edge of the blade, but the overall design of the blade to support such an edge might result in less steel throughout the blade (Or a spine so thick as to be unwieldy in comfort).

Furthermore, as I mentioned earlier, this type of edge does not coincide with Dans' mission of a strong, nearly indestructible blade, for a minimum cost to the consumer. Putting such an edge on the knives would result in an increase in cost, which I would prefer to avoid, since if I so chose, I could put this edge on my knives on my own.

I accept that you like zero grinds, but not everybody does; most are content with the edge Dan puts on the blades, or that they themselves can produce on the knives they purchase. I very much doubt that Dan will besmirch his mission statement on this matter.

tyger

I never said I liked zero edges.
I said I like my knives to come zero edged so I can put whatever edge I need on it myself. I don't need Dan to decide what edge is good for me. I have to, but I don't like it.
Yes.. I do a lot of reprofiling on the avarage Bussekin I happen to like. I don't like those thick edges. The steel don't need them most of the time.

Personally, the edge I want really depends on the knife. On the S5 LE I would love a zero convex edge. Since I'm planning on using it as a slicer anyway, I'd like it to be as terrifyingly sharp as possible. I want it to cut me from across the room if I look at it funny.

A chopper? Not so much. I want a heavier, thicker edge on my longer-than-6" blades.

I zero ground edge is not going to have more steel at all...
your picture just shows an edge that is longer for some reason...
an edge with a secondary bevel will be thicker and have more metal throughout... there is no getting around it.
However, you CAN make an edge "thicker" so to speak, by regrinding the zero edge, and putting a more steep secondary bevel on it...
Exactly like in martin Swinkles picture... look, you can create a thicker edge out of a thinner one.
He drew it out for you all to see.
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I'd LOVE a nice zero edge on all the LE knives for sure!
It's fitting of them... besides we all see the performance difference that it made for vic's knives, and isn't "superior performance to price ratio" (keyword: performance) Dans slogan?
maybe he should do it to some cg knives too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
so many people complain about the knives edge being too thick, and them having to re profile it... well don't you think we should give those guys a break? now the people who want a thicker edge will have to re profile. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

+1 emf you and i are on the same track!

and +1 jbomb it really does depend

haha. I didn't read your post as carefully as I thought MCJ.
I didn't see you already made that point.
oh well.
just re confirming it I guess.
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The merits of a particular edge would be circumstantial, based on intended usage and material structure. The zero edge has less structure supporting the edge versus a convex blade. The overlay that was drawn above should have both lower tips overlaid evenly at their edge to show the true difference. They both have superior characteristics dependant upon the application.