Yeah before ya all say it I'm often confused !!!!!

I was under the wrong impression that we could post about other brands of knives on the survival forum and after posting about my new last resort knife I found out I was wrong ! Now to be fair Scrapyard offers no such type of knife as the one I posted and as such could not lose sales by me posting such a product!
I did however accept this ruling and replied to the moderator saying I would not break these rules again !!!!

So tonight I click on the main forum and onto a thread about neck knives and everyone is talking about other brands....what gives ??????

At this moment in time I feel like kicking this forum to the side and sticking with the other ones where I can post what I want to post but I have met some great people on here and so am reluctant to leave without having my say !

If there are rules let's enforce them 100% or not at all cos at this moment in time I am sat here thinking what the hell !!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I understand your comment, pitman. I was one of those that commented in that thread. I was very unconfortable in so doing, but I had received a reprimand for not being a welcoming dog to people who ask questions without understanding the guidelines. I am just leaving it up to the moderators to decide if they want to remove those conversations, or get them back on track. I am sorry if anything that I said offended you within the context of the forum. I was just trying to be helpful to the new individual.

I have removed my suggestion to the newcomer to the forum, since it did not focus upon SYK products.

yeah it's weird, I just figure any thread I start about some other knife brand, I will compare to a SY to make it relevant.

+1 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Sometimes I post on the Outdoor forum and don't even show a knife. But you can be sure that my trusty Rat Trap is always with me. I try to keep my posts about knives at least Busse-made if not Scrap Yard related. Most of us use and buy knives from other makers. Blade Forums is always there for reviews about those knives. And comparisons with Scrappers are allowed. But a straight up review about a knife not made by Busse is not appropriate here. We have been permitted to talk about folders on the folder thread, and that seems pretty tolerant to me.

So am I right in thinking that I can compare a Scrapyard knife with a similar knife from another maker even if the Scrapyard knife comes out poorly by comparison ? This seems even worse than just talking about another brand of knife ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I understand where the mods have to keep the rules. I once asked about a knife maker here in OK because I was wanting to find some info out--I mean, there would have been a comparison if I did obtain on of his blades. To top it off I ended up having one of his granddaughters in my class so I got it taken care of. Anyway, I see where you are coming from. I hope you stay around as I love reading about your adventures and blades.

By allowing comparisons, then they do run the risk of their knife coming
out second best. In fact, I've seen a couple of threads where that did
happen.

I actually have more respect for the company when that happens. It shows me
two things about them. First, that they value the people who buy their knives
and second, that they are honest about the claims that they make for their
products.

I hope you stick around to Pit.

Cheers

what about threads in the OUTDOORS side of things, say like my hiking and picture thread....?

i often go hiking and take pictures of the gear i take, sometimes its a SY blade, sometimes its not....can i still post up pics of my blades? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Guys, I think you are over-thinking this....


There's a big difference between "hey, I went hiking today and by the way I brought along my swiss army knife" and "hey, this is my brand new knife, that isn't in any way affiliated with the Busse family blades!"

One is an entire thread that revolves solely around a non-Busse blade, and the other is a non-Busse blade showing up as an afterthought in a real-life activity. I see no problem with the mods making a distinction between these two scenarios.

I stuck a couple of action shots of some homemade junk knives in the knives and pics area just while I am waiting on my SYKCO S5s to arrive. I figured, who doesn't like a pic of a blade being slammed through a door right? Entertainment purposes only and since they are not, nor will they EVER be for sale and are only a novelty (mostly due to the size of the thing) would never interfere with the Busse empire's sales.
Now, if Dan or any of the Mods here wish to remove them then there is no argument here. I'm just happy to be here.

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You can't beat a pic of a blade being slammed through a door!!!

Those are my favorite pics no matter what kind of knife they are!!!

So explain the folders thread? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I don't see any harm in it (allowing us to discuss other brands) but it's not my forum. I think it would allow for more interesting discussions but I can go elsewhere for that if need be. I guess you could always do what MrPink has suggested and show your new non-SY knife and have it by a SY knife and talk about how it compares or is different. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

My way of thinking is this: This is the Scrapyard forum, and it's part of the Busse family. If somebody wants to talk about non-Bussekin knives, there's always Bladeforums. That's where I go for that.

But I come here a bit more often than Bladeforums.

Yep.
Or they could always just kill off the folder thread all together.

Dan is confident enough in his knives to allow that. I very much enjoy your photos and posts, pitdog. Keep them coming. You can always find some room to throw in a scrapper or swamp rat, right? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Vic, I'm sure I could manage that ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

You can always read the beginning of the folder thread too... I believe some discussing it is left on there?
I do remember that the mods did decide to keep it after some talking about it.

Pit, I'd rather like you show comparisons with Busse kin.
maybe if Dan or someone reads them, it can help show them what to work on?
sometimes criticism is a good thing... if all their knives got were praise, how would they ever improve?
When someone reviews a knife here, I'm hoping they conduct it with honesty and won't not post it because the SY didn't do well.
When I want to buy a knife, it helps if someone posts a review on it, but I don't ever want to be misled because someone had to comment positively on one knife.

Pitman, your posts have always been full of info and been accompanied by excellent pics. I know I and many on here would hate to see them stop. As for the blade questions, beats me. I like to think it isn't a message to you alone, I'm sure I've been guilty of some threads that might have slipped by the mods. I'll just try and remember to throw in a scrapper pic in my posts. Thanks again for your contributions to the Yard. I have been to Vancouver but only saw the city. You and Bushman, and maybe some others, have shown us what beauty lies beyond the city. Next time I go I will look forward to visiting those places you have shown us.

Contrary to popular belief, both Tom & I have thing to do other than moderate here. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

We are volunteers that do our best to try and keep the spirit of the Yard alive here. We don't live in the Yard 24/7 and because of that some threads last longer than they should.

I am starting to sound like a broken record, but if you see a post which does not belong in the Yard use the report post button beside the Post Extras that is at the bottom of each post. The icon looks like this:


Pitman - Your thread was removed because it's entire purpose was to discuss a none Scrap Yard, Swamp Rat or Busse knife. The core purpose of that thread broke this rule:
"6. No discussing other manufacturer's products. Comparisons and chopoff are great though! Busse Combat and Swamp Rat discussions are also fine. Please confine the none Rat Trap folder discussion to the folder thread."

That rule should also explain that folder posts stay in the folder thread.

Thread that are about the outdoors and great hikes that don't focus on Busse trio knives are not a problem. The problem is when a thread stops being about the trip and starts being about the competitor's blades. That makes it free advertising for a competitor.

Comparisons and chopoffs are clearly allowed and stated in the rules. The rules do not say that the outcome must always favor Dan or Jerry's knives. The honest feedback is a good thing.

Everyone, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Read the rules & info thread. It is here: http://www.scrapyardknives.com/ubbthread...ge=0#Post147139

Things are fairly to the point there. If you are still confused about something, ask Tom or myself. We are not trying to trip people up.

I agree that things are pretty straightforward and to the point, ColdOne - I've been a bit confused by the existence of this thread - the rules seem easy to understand, to me, and the enforcement of them has been much fairer than I've seen on other forums.

Pretty much goes like this - don't solely focus on other companies' knives, except on the folder thread and to a lesser extent the death chat, and you'll be fine. Don't know what's so hard to comprehend about that??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Please do not be confused. I have not seen the neck knife thread yet but I will and I will make a decision.

There are a lot of makers that want to use our forum to sell their stuff and or they have over zealous members who want to push products, fight with other members and other disruptive behavior. We do not permit this activity nor do I allow forum members to push insurance, soliicit donations, push religous memberships, peddle manufacture products (avon and the like), campaign for polititions and so on. We have something very special and I will not deviate from our direction...end of story. Chop off's and performance comparisons...all day long.

The very first thread at the top of the forum is about the rules. I ask each of the Dogs to keep within the rules and help other make this a good place. We will have those that will push the edge (so to speak) but friendly reminders will be given.

This is a private forum that welcomes everyone. If there is confusion about the rules here is a quick list.

1. This is a family forum, so keep things clean. This includes your forum name and what you use as an avatar.
2. No foul language, no insults & no questionable photos (disgusting, adult, provocative, etc). Think G rated.
3. No discussing anything illegal.
4. No for sale/wanted to buy/looking for ads, give aways or raffles.
5. When in doubt, play it safe!
6. No discussing other manufacturer's products. Comparisons and chopoff are great though! Busse Combat and Swamp Rat discussions are also fine. Please confine the none Rat Trap folder discussion to the folder thread.
7. Do not hijack the threads of others.
8. Only one login per user, do not create random users for your own amusement.
9. No slamming/bad mouthing other forums or products.

Please note that there are other forums that operate differently and may be a better place for some

I would hope that you stay around

Dan

I just read the neck knife thread and I understand your point. I do not appreciate the reference to other makers on this forum. I do believe that everyone that responded (except possibly one or two) had their heart in the right place. If a post goes up that is questionable please let one of the moderaters know immediately.

Now raise your glass, take a swig and lets get back to what we do best...talking steel and hanging with the Dogs

Dan

AYE! LETS DRINK!

BY the way, your avatar is the most disturbing <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Dan

+1 LOL!

I can't say I appreciate "invisible" moderation, either. If there is a problem with a thread then its offending content should be removed and the thread locked, with a note about WHY it was closed. Completely removing the thread without any explanation doesn't educate people about the rules you're trying to enforce, and it leads to people being annoyed that their comments are worth so little as be casually discarded.

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On a more positive note, in the specific case of the neckers, other brands have to be brought up because you haven't made one. It would be like forbidding discussion of any kegs except Scrapyard-branded kegs, even though you don't make them and have announced no plans to make them. It's not very sensible to forbid discussion about another manufacturer's product when you're not actually competing against them in that product area. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Market potential! Waiting customers! go go go.

I hope you don't read my tone as antagonistic, I'm simply trying to be productively direct.

I really don't understand so much confusion as to following the POSTED rules! Dan Busse has provided us with a wonderful forum, and I don't think it's TOO much to ask of us Dogs to show the Busse Companies the respect they DESERVE and follow their rules!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Most of us certainly have knives from other companies - fine. However, this is the Scrap Yard forum, and Dan's rules are the guides that we ALL must follow. As Chris (ColdOne) pointed out, we are not here 24/7 - we are folks just like you, we have our lives to live, etc. We try to be fair and tolerant with fellow Dogs who make an inappropriate post, and MOST of them have been cooperative, which we certainly appreciate. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> We don't enjoy being "heavies", but we WILL do the job that Dan has asked us to do. If there are questions, you can always send either of us a private message and get our thoughts BEFORE posting something questionable - it may keep you out of trouble and your consideration really is appreciated. Now, let's all enjoy the Yard and the spirit of Brotherhood! Long live the Scrap Yard!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Tom

I for one hope pit stays I do enjoy most of his posts.
As far as the neckers go, I think it is clear that promoting another brand of knifegoes against the rules whether Bussekin make them or not.
I say this for a couple of reasons.
Perhaps they have that style of knife in the works.
Perhaps they have no interest in making that style knife, but the manufacturer of the neck knife does have models that compete with Bussekin knives. It's about branding.
If I want to talk about other brands I go there, I wouldn't talk about a dodge viper on a ford bronco forum

Well stated Brother! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Naturally, then, every time anybody mentions another cutlery maker their post will be deleted? It is not just to enforce the rule when people talk about neckers, but not when they talk about machetes (12 hits for Tramontina in the last month, 42 for Ontario)? Why a specific exemption for folders; could it be that Dan acknowledges that it's not a market he's competing in? Taking the rule to its logical extreme ("other manufacturer's products"), why are people allowed to talk about specific brands of handgun, tent, or flashlight?

All I'm saying is that the rule is a poorly worded and is a bad rule. Used lightly it is a tool of seeming whimsy, and used to its full extent it is inoperably oppressive. It should be changed to something along the lines of "Refrain from talking about competitor's alternatives to products which SYKCO offers except in the case of comparisons".

I'm not an anarchist. If word comes down that this is absolutely 100% how the rule was meant to be enforced even taking into account my logical rebuttals, I'll just go elsewhere. Using other people's internet forums is a privilege, not a right, I fully understand that. But I believe that the Scrapyard forum could benefit from some constructive review of its policies on this matter.

This is a separate issue from the issue of "invisible" moderation which I dislike everywhere I find it, for the reasons I gave above: first that it is not productive, and second that it is insulting. It can also lead to rampant abuse of power, but given the caliber of people on this forum that is not a problem I worry about.

What the hell is confusing about the rules? Some people seem to misconstrue or confuse the difference between rights and privileges. You are not owed explanations concerning the operation of the forum.

We are not owed explainations ? C'mon bud if we are in the dark about an issue then surely it is only respectfull to enlighten us eh !!!
Jeez if I followed your view in my career I'd come home in a body bag !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Coldone,Dan and everyone else that's taken the time to clarify this for me and of course I will stick around, I'd find it very hard to leave such a great bunch of guys as those here that I have come to know so well !!!
I will of course be much more carefull what I post in future !!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Pitman, that was not directed at you. It was more of a response to the overall attitude I read in certain posts concerning the 'rights' some take for granted. No offense and thank you for your service if i read that correctly.

Ok buddy, no offense taken ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

hey Pitdog! how are ya buddy! i'm hoping to get out your way mid summer!

Pit....You rascal...always causing trouble. It's part of the Yard , when you put all these alpha dogs together...watch out. I understand the confussion....now we all understand. Good to go. Love ya Pit , hang in there. need your knowledge and skills to grow to a big , mean , JYD.

Is it okey talk about "homemade" knives?

Pit,
Glad you’re sticking around.
I think there is a feel to each thread and yes depending on the topic and who is involved there might be some wavering. I really didn't follow the neck knife thread, so I can't comment. I can repeat glad you are sticking around; your right there is a lot of good people on this forum.

I'll repeat a safe practice use the word Busse and throw a correlation out, if not a pic and all should be well.

If you are wondering, I don't carry a neck knife cause it interferes with my gold chains. Besides stripped naked and left for dead, I still don’t see a need....what with my 9 inch tang claws and laser eyes....LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />