It serves me right for hijacking so many others! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

BINGO!

Priceless!

I am with you Vic...our country has a very high population for it's size but you can still find a bit of peace and quiet if you try...my only concern is making it through till my clock stops...I do have concerns as to what my children will face but they are out of my hands...

My Mom and Dad had me right at the height of the Cuban Missle crisis...born Dec 1963...back then the likelihood of a Nuclear War was quite real...and I guess the answer is just to keep going as you would usually do.

If you ever wake up with a nightmare on your hands and a house floating....salvage the knives and come on back to Blighty...your more than welcome to stay here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Hell...I might even sell up and try and find somewhere more remote still...probably in Scotland...going back to my family "roots"...yours too I believe. But there is no worries of rising tides where I live...just rising unemployment! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

It seems like every year I have been in AZ it's gets hotter and rains less. When I first moved here 11 years ago there were monsoons in the summer much more often and it would rain like cats and dogs for hours at a time. Now the monsoons that hit us up from Mexico tend to just blow dirt all over the place and jack up the wimpy trees we have around here. On the drive in to Phoenix everyday I get to see the brown cloud of death that hangs over the city. Fortunately I still live far enough out that the brown cloud does not get to my house, for now anyway. One of these days I will take up popsicle stick art and move somewhere a bit more pleasant.

Exactly. The scientist in the 70's were warning of global cooling and it never happened. And for every scientist that swears there is global warming (or that we are contributing to it), there is another to dispute it. Truth is that no one really knows and only time will tell as it has in the past. Some scientist today are saying that temperatures are coming down. A study just done by the EPA shows temps coming down as CO2 in the atmosphere is still going up. Who knows? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

The really sad part is the companies and folks (Al Gore?) who want to shove the green crap down our throats so they can get rich off of it.

Humans are most likely posing several problems to the planet and it's available resources, but I'm not so sure what problems we are actually causing and to what extent. At this point, I'm not convinced anyone really knows.

I'm not ready to move to Kansas and start stockpiling yet anyhow. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

HD...do groundwater tests...if the saltwater is encroaching , you can sell it as water front property and move to the Rockies.....2012 is coming.

No, December 12th....if the query was to my birthday?

At least my well still has fresh water. Although I don't know the chloride concentrations, it's still potable for now. There have been some deeper wells in the Floridan aquafer that had to be shut down due to salt water intrusion. With the the local pulp mill pulling out 50 MGD, that's no surprise. As an update, the extreme high tides of last week caused a bit of flooding. My sister's home on another island had the same thing happen to her landscaping, killed by salt water. It seems there was some rare alignment responsible for the unusual high tides. So I guess this must have happened before, but not since I moved out here.

When I was a kid more than twice the world's (then) population could be placed in a box 1 mile x 1 mile x 1 mile... the population then was around 3 billion and the box could hold over 6 billion...Well the years passed... now with the world's population nearing 7 billion... it takes up a little more than that box.... but if you make that box 1.25 mile x 1.25 mile x 1.25 mile... it could then hold just shy of 12 billion....the point here is... we are not close to being overpopulated when we are jammed up together, looking at the size of the Earth... is it the same if we spread out?....

math follows:

average human size... 2' x 2' x 6' ...

box 1.25 x 1.25 x 1.25 (miles) ..

that is a box 6600' x 6600' x 6600'

using a 2' x 2' x 6' human box

3300 x 3300 x 1100 = 11,979,000,000 human boxes...

If you stood those 12 billion boxes (people) upright and side by side it would cover 1,100,000 acres... not a big area.... just shy of 1719 square miles.... and the earth has approx 196,935,000 sq miles of land surface....

(6600' x 6600' /43560 x 1100[layers]) = 1,100,000 acres
1,100,000 / 640 = 1719± sq. miles

and we are still talking of the 11.9 billion boxes(people) ... not the 7± billion that is the current population...

However, spread out...

196,935,000± sq miles (earth land area) = 126,038,400,000± acres of land

and: 126,038,400,000 (acres) / 7,000,000,000 (people) =

1 person / 18± acres ..

so... are we tight? ... or not?

Doc
after much whiskey ...

Thanks for the math, Doc. 18 acres per person, eh? Well, with my daughter here, I guess I need 36 acres to have my fair share. I'm short 33 acres!