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Re: INFI vs. SR101? #361226 08/11/09 10:32 AM
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I'm just waiting for him to use his name, with a Clark candy bar for an avatar!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: INFI vs. SR101? [Re: Private Klink] #361227 08/11/09 11:26 AM
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Interesting post guys on the alternative steels and the common agreement that the performance of a knife is very much born out of the heat treatment of the blade. I have to agree entirely on this point.

There is another issue as well though....and that is the edge and overall blade geometry....especially if the blade is fully convex or a Japanese Hamaguru equivalent...then it is the whole blade geometry...but even the simpler issue of the edge angle being done with a view in mind to the likely use is often overlooked.

The case in point between the benefits of SR101 and Infi or SR77 is over shadowed for many by the simple experience they have with edge retention.

Obtuse angles supplied on many of these knives would certainly survive a breeze block chopping session better than a shallow angle edge....but are not going to impress well when it comes to cutting tasks. Similarly shallow angles applied for a very sharp cutting edge will "roll" if catching twists in the grain on battoning a log. Like MM said...you cannot avoid the laws of physics...but what you can do is make a blade suitable for it's most likely "tasks".

The skill deployed here makes a massive difference on "user endorsement" reputation. The best knives I have from top Japanese makers have all these boxes ticked. The steel is special in it's edge retention ability....the hamaguru edge given to the blade ensures it reaches the "user" perfectly shaped for a life times worth of use and with a knowledgeable user who can retain the edge with "stropping" there is no need to re-sharpen and re-profile the edge and perhaps by doing so take away from the total design benefit. Plus the heat treatment on the knife at high 60 plus Rc values on knives designed to be used for "cutting" and not chopping....means the edge retention begins to take on a noticeable "long lasting" ability and reputation.

These factors which need to be blended right to make the best of any given steel are starting to be seen with some of the more expensive Busse products which come with fully convexed edges. I have had a few of these now and whilst on the smaller knives they may benefit from a little thinning of the convex edge to give a better cutting ability...on the larger knives they come very well done for surviving heavy use...something Busse knives have built their reputation on. Which is a significant improvement from when I first came to this site when many of us were receiving knives which needed to be re-profiled and sharpened when taken out of the box. Certainly my recent purchases of a SAR 4 LE and a Zilla have all come with excellent fully convexed edges...even if these can be improved a little....they are still very well done and go a long way to convincing a user of the true benefits of Infi. It is nice to see a product now being supplied which makes the best of Busse's knowledge and skill in grinding and applying a convex edge for the intended use which optimises their knowledge and skill rather than requiring a user to develop such skills themselves. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Re: INFI vs. SR101? #361228 08/12/09 11:00 PM
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Fair enough, MM. What alloys have you performed the same tests on that have stood up better than SR101, INFI and SR77? I'm not challenging you. I simply want to know if more capable hard-use cutlery alloys exist and if so, what they are. Why? Cause I wanna get me some, that's why!

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Re: INFI vs. SR101? #361229 08/12/09 11:04 PM
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He does that all the time, RN. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Is that part of that military stealth training...LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

It is good to hear Recon surfaced with all of his duties.

I wonder how it is all going

Dan

Re: INFI vs. SR101? [Re: Dumpster Dan] #361230 08/12/09 11:21 PM
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Fair enough, MM. What alloys have you performed the same tests on that have stood up better than SR101, INFI and SR77? I'm not challenging you. I simply want to know if more capable hard-use cutlery alloys exist and if so, what they are. Why? Cause I wanna get me some, that's why!

Lets not forget the magic dust and the ritual dance used during the heat treat process <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Dan

The real Busse family method of heat treating.


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Re: INFI vs. SR101? [Re: Dumpster Dan] #361231 08/13/09 01:12 AM
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He does that all the time, RN. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Is that part of that military stealth training...LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

It is good to hear Recon surfaced with all of his duties.

I wonder how it is all going

Dan

Ya got me pinned BOSS! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

everything is going well. right now i am in a Lieutenant holding company here at Fort Lewis, WA. duty is just pretty much "removed" because all the privates and enlisted folks are prepping for a deployment so we are tasked out cleaning up after LDAC (warrior Forge) the annual training ROTC event where soon to be 2LTs go and are evaled. i worked LDAC this summer on the land navigation committee. it was good. i manned a checkpoint for about 24 hours straight for day and night nav. tragically, we had a cadet commit suicide on the course back in July <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> he hung himself with his LBV and 550 cord... it was nothing done on our behlaf as cadre, just a cadet that needed help and had some bad things going on in his life. his family was falling apart, sister got cancer, he was failing LDAC, etc.. no reason for suicide of course but it was just very tragic. then we had a former soldier 56 yr old come into the PX mini mall and shoot his gf working at a fast food place and then commit suicide. its been one helluva summer out here at Lewis and im ready to go back east and get to my boys in the 1st ID 3rd BCT. got about 4-5 more months of TRADOC at benning and lee then im on to Knox. its been good, making GREAT office pay but lots of it is going out to pay off loans and bills <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> way different from college when all i did was ride my CBR, chill with my gf, and troll on the forum here... oh well, gotta grow up sometime. @ least i have a bachelors, masters, and commission as an army officer to show for my time in ROTC and college. its a good life.

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Re: INFI vs. SR101? [Re: reconseed] #361232 08/13/09 01:17 AM
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Tragic indeed. Stay well 'SEED.


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Re: INFI vs. SR101? [Re: Art] #361233 08/13/09 03:27 AM
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Re: INFI vs. SR101? [Re: reconseed] #361234 08/13/09 04:40 AM
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Keep the language in mind there Clark. Busywork works just as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Re: INFI vs. SR101? #361235 08/13/09 08:08 AM
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Interesting read guys..


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