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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: MustardMan]
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09/08/09 01:48 PM |  
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fastcamoJoined:  Feb 2008 Posts: 1,174   Junk Yard Dog |  
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There is no such thing as the "best" knife steel. All steels are a trade off between corrosion resistance, edge retention, toughness, etc etc etc. Where INFI excels is in having a very favorable all-around balance of these qualities for hard use knives. But INFI is hardly the best choice for ALL knives Well said. 
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: fastcamo]
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09/08/09 04:09 PM |  
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Joshua J.Joined:  Dec 2007 Posts: 139   Mutt |  
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For me, INFI has always been a niche steel . . . and not always due to the alloy itself.  INFI is almost always married to hard handle materials.  IMO, hard handle materials are not very well suited to knives that are designed to absorb a lot of shock.  Choppers fall into this category.  So I don't own any INFI choppers and I doubt I ever will.
 Slicers are fine with hard handle materials.  But they don't require a great deal of lateral strength . . . a quality that INFI excels at.  And INFI is expensive . . . VERY EXPENSIVE.  I've never been convinced that I need to pay for something I don't need.  And far less expensive alloys including stainless alloys exist that work perfectly well in slicers.  So I don't own any INFI slicers and I doubt I ever will.
 
 So where does INFI excel?  For me it's the 5"-8" blade range . . . the middle ground between choppers and slicers where some chopping may be required but not dedicated chopping and some slicing may be required but not dedicated slicing.  It's in this category of mid-sized fighters/camp knives that INFI's combination of qualities come together to make it nearly unsurpassed as a cutlery alloy.
 
 That's just my opinion, of course.
Those are my thoughts exactly. I've passed on the FBM so many times, it took a while to realize why. If Jerry could do a FBM with mudder textured Res-C handles, I'd sell a kidney to get one. As is though, the Dogfather is better (I can't believe I just said that). As for INFI itself, it was when Noss did the FBM destruction test that I was really convinced about the stuff. Virtually all steel types, including S-7 (SR-77) had chunks tear out when cutting steel. Not INFI. No tearing, no chipping, ever. Great stuff. |  |  |  
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: Joshua J.]
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09/08/09 04:26 PM |  
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MustardManJoined:  Mar 2009 Posts: 4,654   Permanently banned |  
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No tearing, no chipping, ever.
 
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: MustardMan]
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09/08/09 06:57 PM |  
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fastcamoJoined:  Feb 2008 Posts: 1,174   Junk Yard Dog |  
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No tearing, no chipping, ever.
 
I disagree <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> .                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               .....+1..... it will , and has chipped, those test while fun to watch are inconclusive, like thr RD7 for example, my tests were far more extreme that the one noss had and submitted.  Everyones owns individual tests will vary also, but infi indestructable? Not 
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: fastcamo]
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09/08/09 07:30 PM |  
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blasphemous.... your steel should be redistributed to the true believers!
 jk.... tools in general theres never a perfect substance... even the perfect substance can be all wrong.... theres always give and take.... but generaly its kinda like the old thing fast, cheap , quality... pick two... kinda the same with tools and steels.... lots of good options lots of new options but i know my grandfathers been using the same old hickory style knife for 60 some years and it was just carbon steel
 
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
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09/08/09 08:34 PM |  
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Paul the Brit'Joined:  Sep 2006 Posts: 4,489   Junk Yard Dog |  
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For me, INFI has always been a niche steel . . . and not always due to the alloy itself.  INFI is almost always married to hard handle materials.  IMO, hard handle materials are not very well suited to knives that are designed to absorb a lot of shock.  Choppers fall into this category.  So I don't own any INFI choppers and I doubt I ever will.
 Slicers are fine with hard handle materials.  But they don't require a great deal of lateral strength . . . a quality that INFI excels at.  And INFI is expensive . . . VERY EXPENSIVE.  I've never been convinced that I need to pay for something I don't need.  And far less expensive alloys including stainless alloys exist that work perfectly well in slicers.  So I don't own any INFI slicers and I doubt I ever will.
 
 So where does INFI excel?  For me it's the 5"-8" blade range . . . the middle ground between choppers and slicers where some chopping may be required but not dedicated chopping and some slicing may be required but not dedicated slicing.  It's in this category of mid-sized fighters/camp knives that INFI's combination of qualities come together to make it nearly unsurpassed as a cutlery alloy.
 
 That's just my opinion, of course.
Very well reasoned Bruce, couldn't agree more...  <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> 
 
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: MustardMan]
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09/09/09 02:05 AM |  
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Joshua J.Joined:  Dec 2007 Posts: 139   Mutt |  
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No tearing, no chipping, ever.
 
I disagree <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> What were you doing with your knife? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> Did you actually get the steel to tear? Or was it just chipping you experienced? |  |  |  
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: Joshua J.]
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09/09/09 02:09 AM |  
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It's probably in reference to the Noss vids and such. Just pretty much saying all steel is susceptible to damage. INFI is just high on the list of durability. 
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: Art]
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09/09/09 02:38 AM |  
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Yes very well put bruce.......        as far as the damage to infi, well wood isn't gonna do it, or at least I haven't experienced damage from wood, but the material is sold as super strong, yet there are only a few that will push a blade that far, doing stupid thing with them, yes I'm one of them, but I bought into the super hype and I'm sure not afraid to put it through ramdom seriously abusing tests, will I want another knife when I break it? Of course I will, but if I'm seriously trying to get it to break....then no, I really don't deserve it.  But the answer is yes, it will break, yes it does chip, and yes it does tear, nothing is indestructable, but bruce did sum it up very well, I also believe its best suited for midsized blades and have the best of both worlds, infi falls into that catagory quite nicely. 
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: Art]
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09/09/09 09:26 AM |  
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MustardManJoined:  Mar 2009 Posts: 4,654   Permanently banned |  
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It's probably in reference to the Noss vids and such. Just pretty much saying all steel is susceptible to damage. INFI is just high on the list of durability. Nope, I've chipped my own INFI <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Too bad I can't show you, as the worst chip I ever got was on the killa zilla... It's not a deep chip, or a big one, but I've torn little chunks out of the blade that no amount of stropping or steeling will restore. All I was doing was chopping wood.  Although I might have hit some rocks or something, since some of the logs were laying on the ground. |  |  |  
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: MustardMan]
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09/09/09 09:36 AM |  
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Joshua J.Joined:  Dec 2007 Posts: 139   Mutt |  
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Ok, ok. Firsthand forum experience wins.
 I guess I'll have to settle for just "Nuclear Tough".
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|  Re: Better than INFI..?
[Re: Joshua J.]
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09/09/09 10:12 AM |  
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MustardManJoined:  Mar 2009 Posts: 4,654   Permanently banned |  
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Don't get me wrong - Infi is much tougher to chip than many steels, but it's absolutely possible, and not just under extreme circumstances. |  |  |  
 
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