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#425963 - 04/22/10 03:24 AM My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics)
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Kuanomar's PSK thread prompted me to start a split thread. In this thread I'll display pictures of my PSK and GHB along with descriptions of the gear. Please note: my weekly routine includes spending a lot of time in a suburban office building; traveling to job sites (most of which are within 1 hour's drive from my house); and commuting 17 miles (one way) to and from work.


PERSONAL SURVIVAL KIT (PSK) Contents List

This equipment is carried on my person at all times EXCLUDING the handgun. The handgun cannot be carried at work.

Defense

(1) Handgun, Glock 20SF with Night Sights
(1) Holster, Galco Paddle
(3) 15rd Magazines, Glock 20SF with 14rds of Winchester 175gr STHP
(1) Double Magazine Pouch, Fobus
(1) Weapon Light, Streamlight TLR-1
(1) Weapon Light Carrier, Blackhawk

DEFENSIVE NOTE: I often carry a different handgun. My "CCW" battery includes: Glock 17; Glock 19; Glock 20SF; Glock 26; Sig Sauer P228; S&W 642. All handguns have night sights except the revolver.

Knife

(1) Folding Knife, Spyderco Delica4 VG10

Personal Items

(1) Cellular Phone, Samsung MilSpec Rugby
(1) Wallet (with Credentials; Cash; etc)
(1) Watch, Citizen EcoDrive

Survival Key Ring Kit

(1) Flashlight, Streamlight Nano
(1) Folding Knife, Spyderco Ladybug VG10
(2) Fire Starter, Light My Fire Scout Model
(1) Swiss Army Knife, Victorinox Classic
(1) Whistle, Fox40 Micro







The Get-Home-Bag (GHB) is a small ruck that is designed to go with me whenever I leave the house. The purpose is to facilitate my return home if something catastrophic happens. A GHB is essentially the opposite of a BOB (Bug-Out-Bag).


GET HOME BAG (GHB) Contents List


Accessories & Ruck

(1) Ruck, Gerber Evader (B)
(1) Planner, Diplomat (B)

Apparel

(1) Cap, Watch-Type 100% Wool (B)
(1 pr) Gloves, G-Tek Protective
(1 pr) Glove Liners, USGI Wool (OD)
(1 pr) Socks, Merino Wool Cushioned (Green)

Fire

(1) Butane Lighter, Bic Classic
(1) Fire Starter, Ultimate Survival Blastmatch
(1) Magnesium Bar, Doan
(1) Tinder Bottle, Film Canister with Petrol Cotton
(1) Waterproof Match Case

First Aid

(2) Mini Kits
(1) Trauma Kit

Food

(3) Energy & Nutrition Bars, CLIF (July 2010)
(3) Instant Oatmeal, Apples & Cinnamon

Food Preparation

(1) Canteen Cup, USGI
(1) Canteen Cup Stand, USGI
(1) Utensil, LMF Lexan Spork

Hygiene & Sanitation

(4) Sanitation Wipes, Germ-X Singles
(1 pkt) Tissue, Travel Size

Knives & Tool

(1) Fixed Blade Knife, ScrapYard Urban Mutt
(1) Sheath, Custom Kydex with Tek-Lok
(1) Knife Sharpener, Gerber Ceramic

Miscellaneous

(1) Cellular Phone Charger
(15 ft) Duct Tape (Business Card)

Navigation & Signaling

(1) Compass, Silva Starter
(1) Flashlight, Mini Mag LED AA
(2) Batteries, Energizer
(2 spare) Batteries, Energizer
(1) Marker, Sharpie

Shelter

(50 Feet) 550 Cord, Seven Strand
(1) Emergency Poncho
(1) Emergency Space Blanket
(1) Poncho, Ripstop (MPT)
(2) Trash Bag, 4Mil, 55 Gallon

Water

(1) Pre-Filter, Bandana (Blue)
(1) Water Bottle, Nalgene 32oz
(1) Water Filter, Berkey Sports Bottle
(50 tab) Water Purification Tablets, Portable Aqua
(1) Ziplock Bag, 1 Gallon Freezer


GHB General Pictures:












GHB Contents Assembled Into "Modules":




GHB Completed
(Note: the TFAK requires a new MOLLE pouch for the front of the ruck b/c I sold the one I was using):



Edited by Architect (04/22/10 11:33 AM)
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#425964 - 04/22/10 04:51 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Registered: 04/09/10
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Architect, THANK YOU! This is awesomely detailed. I now have GHB format to compile info from. Great pics and thank you again for your attention to detail. Amazing.
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#425965 - 04/22/10 08:31 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: stjones]
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Arch, Great kit. I'm working on one but have not decided exactly what to use yet. So far I have a small kit in an otterbox 3500 for fire and very rudementary survival, compass 300 ft of 150 pound line led flashlight 1qt fold flat water bladder fatwood cotton jute. I also need to add some fishing stuff just because. I keep gloves watch cap tarp water bottles all in the jeep. I have a simple FAK with bandaids ointment razor knife asprin rubber goves gause and a few more simple things. It is in a Pelican 1060 case. But I want to go soft side. What would you recomment as a simple soft sided case maybe along the lines of 6x9 or no larger than 9x9 for THIS FAK.
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#425966 - 04/22/10 09:49 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: SkunkHunter]
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StJ - You're welcome . As you develop your GHB please feel free to ask questions.

SH - Thanks . It sounds like you have a good start on your kit.

1) You might consider looking at a AquaMira Frontier filter, because they take up about the same amount of space as two bic lights and a pencil. This particular model is a "suck through" only type filter, but is good for 20 gallons, and can be found online for as little as $11 DELIVERED . If you had a little more space, I would very much recommend the AquaMira Frontier Pro, because it can be used as a gravity filter.

2) Be sure to add a Bic butane lighter or if space is at a premium a "Bic Mini".

3) The smallest Light-My-Fire brand "ferro rod" takes up very little space, and produces sparks for fire making even when its too cold for butane or too windy for matches.

4) A bottle of Portable Aqua tablets take up little space, and can save your life. They do taste bad though.

5) If you add a couple of large "Contractor Bags" you'll be able to fashion a very very crude poncho or rudimentary shelter.

6) Wal-Mart sells flimsy disposable ponchos for $1. They take up little space, and actually keep you somewhat dry.

7) If you can find one of the very flat Emergency Space blankets I'd add one! Wal-Mart's is too "poofy" to fit in a small pouch.

8) I would really recommend you add some 550 Para Cord (25 feet minimum) to your PSK. There are just too many uses.

9) Lastly, if you take a business card and roll duct-tape (or gorilla tape) length wise over it you'll end up with a very flat and small "multi-purpose survival item".


Regarding pouches....there are several great options available that could potentially hold your survival gear and/or FAK supplies:


A) Tactical Tailor Zippered Medical Pouch. This is the "Premium" option. I have one, and its extremely well made. However, this is not designed for belt carry - it has Tactical Tailor's proprietary "Malice Clips" on the back for attachment to a MOLLE ruck or vest. They can be used as belt loops, but its not an optimal solution.

http://www.tacticaltailor.com/medicpouch.aspx

B) A good budgetary option is Blackhawk's E&E Pouch. You'd be surprised how much you can stuff in one of these!

http://www.blackhawk.com/product/Escape-and-Evasion-Drop-Pouch,840,1452.htm

C) Two more "not so inexpensive" options are the Tactical Tailor "Cross Fire" which also have a CCW compartment, and Maxpedition "Octa" waistpack. The Octa will hold a lot less than you expect though (from looking at the pictures).

http://www.tacticaltailor.com/crossfireconcealedcarrybag.aspx

http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/OCTA-VERSIPACK-4p433.htm

I own all of the above options, and fully recommend them. I do not, however, own the following item. However, from my extensive experience with Tactical Tailor products I feel comfortable recommending it:

D) This might fit more to your particular needs as the "holster" component is just a velcro loop that can be pulled out easily allowing you to use the rest of the space.

http://www.tacticaltailor.com/lunarconcealedcarrypouch.aspx

There are a host of other options, but I tend to only recommend products I have direct experience of ownership (and use of). Option "D" is an exception, but due to having owned well over $2000 worth of Tactical Tailor gear I'm comfortable with offering it as a solution.



Tom - I hope you don't view the above as "deal spotting". I linked to the manufacturer's websites for reference only.
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#425967 - 04/22/10 09:52 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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BTW, the we don't own a Nissan (only a Ford 4WD SUV) but that FAK pouch was very handy (and free)
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#425968 - 04/22/10 09:57 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Junk Yard Dog

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Hey, FREE is good, no matter where it comes from!
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#425969 - 04/22/10 11:26 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: SkunkHunter]
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The Blackhawk link is broken (due to the commas in it), but if you "cut & paste" the entire line (including the commas and numbers at the end) to your browser address window you'll get there.
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#425970 - 04/22/10 11:38 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I forgot to add....

My Urban Mutt has a "convex edge" which requires a certain type of sharpening system. I plan on making a "paint stick strop" very soon. The Ceramic sharpener is a left over from when I had a Gerber LMF2 in my GHB. I kept it because it can be used to sharpen the Spyderco Ladybug. However, I fully plan on replacing it with a Smith Pocket Pal, because the PP has a diamond rod for serrated edges (my Delica 4 has full "Spyder Edge").
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#425971 - 04/22/10 12:47 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Great post. Thanks for sharing it with us.

As to the straws for water out there, I see where you mentioned one that is good for 20 gallons of water. I know when the earthquake first hit Haiti we had a local organization that was sending filtration straws there but can not remember what they were. I am looking for something that will work in a small pack, a just bare bones one for true emergency use--is this the one to get?
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#425972 - 04/22/10 01:04 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: sumoj275]
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Sumo - this is what I use when I don't have space for a "pump filter":

http://www.aquamira.com/military/aquamira-frontier-filter/choose-right

If you have a little more space this is a better filter....

http://aquamira.com/preparedness/frontier-pro-filter-system/


Edited by Architect (04/22/10 01:04 PM)
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#425973 - 04/22/10 01:17 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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A side note on water filters.....

I ALWAYS have at least three ways of making water safe to drink:

#1) Pre-filter and boil.
#2) Water purification tablets.
#3) Filter.

The filters I use....

A) AquaMira Frontier (this is a 20 gallon suck through straw type) - for my belt kit.
B) Berkey Sports Bottle (this is a fill the bottle and suck through the straw) - for my GHB (lets me keep extra water on hand while on the move unlike the straw in Item A)
C) Katadyn Hiker or Pocket pump filter - in our BOB's.

This is my Berkey bottle filter...

http://www.jamesfilter.com/sportberkey.aspx
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#425974 - 04/22/10 01:51 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Thanks for the extremely comprehensive list of your kit.

I have a day pack that I will be setting up as a GHB.

I have a feeling that I will be visiting this thread many, many, many times in the next few weeks.
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#425975 - 04/22/10 01:53 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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K - You're certainly welcome. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
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#425976 - 04/22/10 01:59 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Almost regardless of the weather, I always have a otte gear eVent jacket (or similar hard/soft shell) on me as well as a good hooded sweater and a base layer. I also, have a pair of insulated gortex pants and extra socks.

I'm in the PNW where weather changes almost instantly at times. I've been in sunny 70+ degree weather, then when the sun went down, it started to snow.

What is your philosophy on proper clothing?
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#425977 - 04/22/10 02:34 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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K - wow, tough question ! Since I'm not familiar with preparing for weather in your type of climate, I'll respond with my "philosophical" answer:

1) "Exposure" or "Hypothermia" claim more lives than anything else in the wilderness. Therefore, you MUST protect yourself from the elements. Gore-Tex outer wear is a critical path item.

2) In regions with wild weather swings I recommend LAYERS!!!! You can add or remove layers as required.

3) Cotton Kills! I'd recommend wool and/or polypropylene: hat; socks and/or liners; sweater and/or undershirt; and gloves..in addition to what you're use to having with you. These garments can be "vacuum sealed" with a Food Saver to reduce space.

4) SHELTER & FIRE! Having a uber lightweight SilTarp; 550 Cord; Quality Fixed Blade; and (3) ways to make fire means you will not die from the cold.

5) DO NOT SWEAT IN YOUR CLOTHES! Limit exertion.

Probably not the magical answer you were looking for?
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#425978 - 04/22/10 02:35 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Skunk Hunter - looked over your list again. You should add a quality lightweight compass like a Silva or Brunton as well.
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#425979 - 04/22/10 02:49 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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nicely done man! i too am a fan of GHB because most of my time i am out in the city.
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#425980 - 04/22/10 02:50 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Bushman5]
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Bush - thanks ... you should see my BOB
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#425981 - 04/22/10 06:54 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Quote:

Bush - thanks ... you should see my BOB





We SHOULD see your BOB.

Thank you for taking the time to post this. Any beginner, like myself, will be more prepared because of the time you take to contribute.

I really like your selection of gear and the rational, but more importantly your philosophy of developing the SKILLS and mindset required to survive.

Once again this is the reason the YARD rocks. It serves as an excellent medium to share wisdom.

There are many forums that have just as many people who have the knowledge and skills. But, few forums can duplicate the respect and comradery that this forum is built on.

Long live the brotherhood of the YARD!!!
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#425982 - 04/22/10 07:32 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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K - I will get a BOB post together, but its going to take time. There is a lot more gear to discuss in that one! I'm glad the Yard's efforts are beneficial to this community.

+1000 LONG LIVE THE YARD!
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#425983 - 04/22/10 07:59 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Wow, I cannot wait for the BOB thread.

You said that you used to contribute to other forums. Please, if we start down the same road that led to your desire to stop sharing at those other forums, let us know. There's still so much to learn.
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#425984 - 04/22/10 08:05 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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K - deal
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#425985 - 04/22/10 08:07 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Thanks Arch.
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#425986 - 04/22/10 10:54 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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Wow suddenly I feel way less prepared then I thought I was. Thanks for the post, it was extremely enlightening
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#425987 - 04/22/10 10:56 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: El CacaFuego]
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Yes, it is humbling.

We all have a budget and time limitations. Some of us are beginners. It sure is good to see the experienced ones and their kits. It helps cut through the hype and get the gear and practice.


Although, I still fall for hype.
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#425988 - 04/23/10 02:32 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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All I have to say is WOW! This is an awesome thread! I have been needing to get a BOB put together but had never thought of putting together a GHB or PSK! I'm sure you can tell that I am a novice when it comes to this stuff. It has been said a few times in this thread already but I am going to say it again, Thank you Architect! The detail that you have here is really going to help me put together a PSK and GHB! And I am looking forward to seeing your BOB! AWESOME! THANKS!

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#425989 - 04/23/10 12:27 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Stevo8720]
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Thanks everyone - the accolades are what's humbling here .

The response to this thread has been outstanding so I won't feel like I'm squandering my time by creating a "BOB" thread. This will take some time though, as my BOB is more comprehensive than my GHB.

I would also recommend that you look up my "sister" GHB thread at the Swamp, because many valuable questions have been addressed there.

The fact that you're all getting interested in PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY (ie - Big Bro is NOT going to be there to save you) is totally awesome. The following info is taken from a comment I made in my thread over at SwampRat's RatChat forum, but the content is applicable to those of you starting out (or refining your plans)....
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#425990 - 04/23/10 12:27 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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PLAN #1 = Get home and stay home.

PLAN #2 = Evacuate only when required.

Plan #2 requires careful planning, and training. You must not become another one of the countless "refugees" wondering around after a disaster. You might be shot as a looter or rounded up and taken to a FEMA camp [Yikes] . You have to determine where you're going to go; how long it will take to get there (on foot if necessary); what you'll need to get you there; what you'll need once you're there.

Plan #2 can be solved in two ways:

Option A = have a relative a safe distance from your residence that is "of like mind" who will allow you store gear at their house. This person(s) should have their own gear or your stuff will be raided. The "Bug Out" only requires that you make it to their place safely.

Option B = Cache. You'll need to find a place (safe distance from your home) that you can cache supplies for use as a "retreat" location.

While I grew up idolizing the RED DAWN scenario, it is completely unrealistic for 99.99999% of us.
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#425991 - 04/23/10 12:27 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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My planning method (and this DOES NOT hijack my thread because it was used to prepare my GHB) is thus:

1) Write out all of the possible situations you will be tasked with surviving.

2) Write out who you are responsible for.

3) Write out what you will ALL need to survive your list of disasters while taking into consideration individual needs (medical care; etc).

4) Write a draft strategy (e.g. PROBLEM: "Chemical Spill on nearby train tracks" SOLUTION: Evacuate to "John Smith's" house with 72Hr Kit).

5) Develop a list of needed goods from the four above issues (e.g. 72Hr Kit....Water filter; Lighter.....)

6) Refine your kit and plan as your learn and TEST / PRACTICE!!!!! If you're 4'-4" tall and weigh 600 pounds do not expect to walk that 150 miles to Grandma's!!!!!

I also recommend the following book for those getting started:

James Wesley Rawles "TEOTWAWKI". This book doesn't cover things like which bugs to eat. Its more of a "philosophical" overview with some focus on areas that require planning. Its inexpensive and informative. As with all things - eat the meat and spit out the bones (JW Rawles spends too much time on overpriced commo devices in this particular book).
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#425992 - 04/23/10 12:28 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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After thinking about the matter more, I believe there is a need for three split threads:

1) Getting Home.
2) Bugging-In.
3) Bugging-Out.

All three are interrelated, but too specialized / complex to handle within one thread frame work. I'll gladly start one for the other two topics, and will answer Getting Home questions in this thread.

We can all read books and/or websites full of "lists of gear" that we "need" to survive. However, if you follow those lists you'll end up like me several years ago. I had a 71# ruck without a drop of water in it. Obviously this was stupid, but it happened because I didn't evaluate my own needs - and didn't learn skills / test my skills enough to know what was practical.

Its more interesting to ask someone what boots they wear than WHY they feel the need to wear boots everyday.

For example...

I wear ALTAMA LiteSpeed tactical boots everyday to work (while most people in my role would wear some sort of "loafer" shoe). Why did I choose those boots? Both pairs I've owned have been durable, and comfortable enough to run in. The tread is equally well suited to urban and rural terrain, and the ability to quickly ingress/egress from them (due to a side zipper) while they still have great ankle support makes them a "tier one" boot IMHO.

But WHY do I wear boots to work?

My pre-planning determined that if something happens I might need to navigate through collapsed buildings; or broken terrain to get home. Additionally, they offer greater protection during day-to-day life. (Side note: I CRINGE every time I see somebody wearing flip-flops in public. Think about all of the broken glass on Wal-Mart's floor if an earthquake hits...).

A big mistake people make is trying to buy everything on someone else's list. You need to determine your crisis situations, and what you need to do to mitigate them. Boil down a plan and gear list from that ... test your plan and train ... and you WILL survive.


Edited by Architect (04/23/10 12:33 PM)
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#425993 - 04/23/10 01:11 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I didn't mean for the above to sound like an admonishment for anyone here...all of those responses are "cut & pasted" from RatChat...where a member had reacted poorly to a response I gave. . Again - I'm thrilled that respondents in this thread are as excited and motivated as they seem about survival preparations!!!!

Remember to start with the basics....as these never change, because the "human condition" is a constant:

FIRE - Three ways of making fire.
WATER - Three ways to make water potable, and two ways to store it.
SHELTER - Protection from wind and/or rain.
DEFENSE - Protect yourself!
FOOD - Energy to get you home!
FAK - Even a minor cut can turn septic FAST in many survival situations.

Redundancy is critical in survival. The ability to carefully select "cross over" items can be a challenge. For example - I've instructed to have two ways to carry water....

ONE = Nalgene; Canteen; Collapsible Bladder
TWO = 1 gallon Ziplock Freezer Bag

The ziplock bag can also be used for other purposes (waterproofing your phone during a storm; protecting your map while getting home; etc).

Balancing redundancy with practicality takes patience and experience.



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#425994 - 04/23/10 01:38 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I really like this thread.

All my "GO" lists have specific categories of items:

#1. pack & packing materials
#2. food / water / preparation / purification / fire
#3. shelter / sleeping / clothing / hygiene
#4. navigation / light / communication / fire
#5. utility / tools / fire / special
#6. utility / self-defense
#7. first-aid / medical / fire / water purification

Our lists are quite similar. I wonder if I should post in detail.

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#425996 - 04/23/10 02:03 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: BillyJoeBobJim]
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Arch,

This thread gets better and better. Thanks.
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#426000 - 04/23/10 03:39 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: BillyJoeBobJim]
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I need to hook up my printer now, get this all down on paper so I can take it with me to the store when I start prepping.
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#426002 - 04/23/10 06:39 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: BillyJoeBobJim]
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Skunk Hunter asked about a small pouch for a "PSK" so I pulled out my "Hiking Belt Order" or "Hiking PSK". These items are on me at all times while in the woods. This allows me to leave my ruck in camp while using the restroom, or whatever (while retaining a degree of security). You'll see a lot of the same products as in my GHB, because I've found that these items WORK!




HIKING BELT ORDER / HIKING PERSONAL SURVIVAL KIT Contents List

Defense

(1) Handgun, Glock 20SF with Night Sights
(1) Holster, Galco Paddle
(3) 15rd Magazines, Glock 20SF with 14rds of Winchester 175gr STHP
(1) Double Magazine Pouch, Fobus
(1) Weapon Light, Streamlight TLR-1
(1) Weapon Light Carrier, Blackhawk

"Field Gear"

(1) Escape & Evade Pouch, Blackhawk Industries (OD)
(1) Riggers Belt, HSGI (OD)

Knife

(1) Fixed Blade, ScrapYard Urban Mutt with Custom Kydex Sheath (with Large Tek-Lok) *

* NOTE: this is taken from my GHB for hiking.

HIKING PSK POUCH CONTENTS

Fire

(1) Butane Lighter, Bic Classic
(1) Butane Lighter, Generic
(1) Candle, 9-Hour Emergency
(1) Fire Starter, LMF Army Model
(1) Tinder Bottle, Film Canister with Petrol Cotton
(1) Waterproof Match Case

First Aid

(1) Trauma Bandage

Food Preparation

(1) Canteen Cup, USGI
(1) Canteen Cup Stand, USGI

Hygiene & Sanitation

(3) Sanitation Wipes, Germ-X Singles
(1 pkt) Tissue, Travel Size

Knives & Tool

(1) Knife Sharpener, Gerber Diamond Rod

Miscellaneous

(15 ft) Duct Tape (Business Card)

Navigation & Signaling

(1) Compass, Engineer's

Shelter

(50 Feet) 550 Cord, Seven Strand
(1) Emergency Space Blanket
(1) Mosquito Head Net
(2) Trash Bag, 4Mil, 55 Gallon

Water

(1) Water Filter, AquaMira Frontier
(50 tab) Water Purification Tablets, Portable Aqua
(2) Ziplock Bags, 1 Quart Freezer
(1) Ziplock Bag, 1 Gallon Freezer

NOTE: I need to add a Platypus 1L bladder to my HIKING PSK.


Picture 1: Hiking PSK Contents:



Picture 2: Illustration of Pouch Size:



Picture 3: Pouch Loaded (550 Cord & LMF go in last - on top of other gear):



Picture 4: Completed "Hiking Belt Order" or "Hiking PSK":



Edited by Architect (04/23/10 07:00 PM)
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#426003 - 04/23/10 09:57 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Wow! This thread is getting BETTER every time I look at it. I need a printer to get ALL this down. Thank you Arch and Billy Joe!!!!
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#426004 - 04/24/10 10:29 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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My wife's new PSK holster arrived in today's mail so I completed her "PSK" (used while camping; hiking; and on long trips from home - she also has a GHB). The contents are the same as above, EXCEPT for as noted above the pictures.

Maxpedition Octa; Glock 19 in Blade Tech; SY S5CG in Kydex with Tek-Lok; (3) Spare Glock 19 Mags in Blackhawk Pouch....



Contents (Note: the addition of fishing line; Victorinox One-Handed Trekker; Platypus Bladder...





Rear Contents (Note: the addition of a SureFire G2 on top...pushed out so you can see it)

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#426005 - 04/25/10 06:43 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Wow, that other PSK kit bag is nice. I like the MAXpedition gear. I use their fat boy jumbo as a "tactical diaper bag".

Thanks again for all the time that you guys took to put this thread together.
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#426006 - 04/27/10 12:27 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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There have been some questions about the difference between a "GHB" and "BOB" at the Swamp. There have also been questions as to whom to believe when researching survival gear. I wanted to bring my responses to these questions here for my fellow Dawg's.................


Questions from SwampRat:


Quote:

As of lately I have been thumbing through the pages of google, and youtube and looking at peoples packs. and some of them you can tell have never used the products in their pack.

and some of them you can tell some of them get used but others don't. but my biggest thing is deciphering who knows what, and how to take advice from them?

I know what I can do and what I have found to be useful but this changes, not all the time nor on a regular basis but over time, I have found what works for me.

And I know about rucking a pack through the hills, if you have ever been to Red Willow WMA, it is a canyon region of our state. big hills lots of walking, but I only make it out there once a year.

But as far as a SHTF situation going on, I believe I would be at a disadvantage, I would like to think that with my hunting skills and abilities I would be Okay, but looking at it in reality, going hunting and coming back when the sun goes down is relatively easy/ comparatively speaking, as long as you can walk with a little weight.

And I have been camping in "remote" areas but always had a truck/4wheeler nearby.

Ive also contemplated taking my stuff out to the farm and sitting up a tent in the woods, and just be out there by myself for a weekend just to see what I can make of it. It would not be remote,there is a town within 20 minutes, but it would be a test...

the reason I haven't done that yet, is because I would have to take all my water with me, there is no such thing as drinking out of the lakes or streams around there, it is all farm land and lots of pesticides, herbicides, and anhydrous that gets sprayed onto the fields. and I don't have a water purification system that would get rid of these.

the way I see it is this, and please correct me if I'am wrong: a GHB and BOB are some what the same thing, I am imagining that if you had to get home because of an emergency the roads may be clogged, and you may have to do it on foot. which means you may or may not make it home in 24 hrs, or less depending on how far away from work and what the situation is. So you may be living out of your pack for a little while, and in the woods or in an urban environment.





My response:


I've only been on one "real" hike so far this year! This weekend the Mrs and I are going for around a 6-8 mile. In May I'll be going on a four or five day car camping trip with at least one overnight hike.

I'm going to address some of your questions / concerns in no particular order:

1) I started sneaking out into the woods with my uncle in 1983. We wore full military clothing and gear...complete with military rifles. Our "hiking" trips usually occurred on a friendly WW2 vet's property (he tasked us with policing his farm at night). During that time period there weren't many "survival situations" - mostly just confrontations with irritated bulls and/or drunk (or crazy) neighbors. When we (myself; my uncle; his best friend) weren't at the WW2 Vet's property we were either: A) at a paranoid survivalist's house discussing what is now referred to as the NWO; B) driving around the country to gun shows; C) at one of the many survivalist friendly "Surplus & Gun Stores" around our area; etc. Our entire lives revolved around this one area. In '85 my uncle's friend joined the Army and was sent to the Korean DMZ - effectively ending this period. In '86 I met and befriended a guy named Justin. He was interested in the same things as I was. His mom's house was across the street from a huge woods so EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND he and I would sneak out of his Walk-Out Basement after his mom and step-dad fell asleep. J & I would always wear military clothes; carry military equipment; etc. We'd walk through the woods until we were exhausted; cold; wet; and somewhat scared. I'd try to set up camp, but it rarely worked. I can't tell you how many times we'd wake up at 4am in late Stage 1 hypothermia. Simultaneous to this EVERY weekend activity I had befriended a guy in my neighborhood and we'd sneak around the woods near our house doing the same sorts of stuff during the week. This went (ad nuesum) until around '89. In '90 I received my driver's license so State Parks; etc opened themselves up to me. While at University (92-97) I spent exorbitant amounts of time in Illinois's Garden of the Gods; State Parks; etc. While not in the woods; at gun stores / gun shows; surplus stores; or at the range I've studied / bought / tested / sold and/or traded TENS of thousands of dollars worth of gear. To this day, I methodically evaluate my gear. My wife could attest to the fact I probably spend 15 hours a week studying this topic (minimum) and tear down at least one aspect of our gear weekly.

2) Just because someone's gear doesn't look used doesn't mean they don't use their gear. Some people, like me, have duplicates of items so one can be stored for emergencies while the other gets beat on (tested / used / enjoyed). Take my LMF ferro rods...if you look in our kits you'll see brand new firestarters. However, if you look at the one I use - it looks like someone has hacked away at it with a chisel.

3) You CANNOT let someone else's gear drive your gear selection. YOU MUST LET THE MISSION DRIVE THE GEAR SELECTION!!!! Only you can determine what your mission will be.

4) A GHB is SIMILAR to a BOB, but there is one significant difference: MISSION....

A GHB is designed to get you home during a crisis (where your reserve food; medicine; weapons; shelter; etc are). In a GHB situation you know the desired outcome - get home / stay home.

A BOB is designed to sustain you as a refuge. You are leaving all of the comfort and security of your home so you need vastly more gear. Typically a BOB scenario will be far more devastating than a GHB scenario.

5) The similarity between a GHB / PSK / BOB / INCH or whatever is the HUMAN CONDITION . We require a certain set of perimeters to survive:

* Maintained body temperature
* Hydration (water)
* Energy (food)
* Shelter from elements
* Defense (against animals and predatory humans)
* First Aid

As long as you're capable of:

* Finding a suitable location (safe from people if you don't want to be found; safe from animals; safe from flooding; safe from bugs) and building a shelter

* Finding materials to build a fire in poor weather conditions (to improve morale; cook food; maintain core temperature; ward off certain animals; signal if required; etc)

* Finding a suitable water source that can be purified for drinking; cooking; sanitation

* Treating injuries (even minor cuts will go septic in the bush)

* Defending yourself; your gear; your camp

* Preparing the food that you brought while PASSIVELY obtaining local food (as in: trotline fishing; weirs; snares; etc - hunting in a true survival scenario is a waste of energy)

* Navigating across unfamiliar and potentially hostile territory

You will survive.


one more thought....


"Three is two; two is one; one is none"

This was the survivalist mantra during the 80's "survivalist" movement explosion.

Of course we're talking about REDUNDANCY. The level of redundancy in a kit is linked to the kit's mission. A GHB for example will most likely not have two water filters. A BOB, however, might.

When building in redundancy you have to carefully consider the multi-functionality of the product. A 'cost / benefit' analysis is required as ounces add pounds.

For example: I'm a huge advocate of "three ways to make water drinkable". As such my GHB has: Water Filter; Canteen Cup; Water Purification Tablets. The canteen cup also serves as a heating vessel for my oatmeal (energy)...and can heat water to raise core temperatures in cold weather.

I subscribed to, and read ravenously, "AMERICAN SURVIVAL GUIDE" magazine for many years. Prior to the Y2K scare I tore myself away from the "most fun" part of preparations (guns) and focused on food storage and water purification. I bought a year's worth of MRE's and a Katadyn Pocket Filter ($219 in 1999). Why did I do this? I was accustomed to using MRE's for my survival food source, and meticulous research yielded the Pocket Filter to be "the best pump available". The MRE's are long gone (THANK GOODNESS!!!! ) but the Pocket filter sits in my BOB. My BOB also has: Mess Kit (boil water); Purification Tablets. In addition to my BOB I have my Line One PSK (belt order) with: Canteen Cup; AquaMira Frontier Filter; Water Purification Tablets.

Why so much redundancy? Well, because 27 years worth of doing this has yielded two immutable facts:

1) Humans (and I'm a human) are lazy and stupid. Therefore, we have a tendency to LEAVE gear in camp while we wonder out to poop / whatever. After getting lost once (compass in camp) and nearly freezing to death in the woods I decided that I will NEVER be without a primary / basic PSK. Therefore, my belt order is with me 24/7 while the ruck can be left behind while I check a trotline; secure a perimeter; gather firewood; drop a deuce; etc.

2) Humans (and I'm a human) are lazy and stupid. Therefore, we need to have a backup plan when Plan A; B; and C fails because we didn't plan properly; test our plan; execute properly; or just were unlucky or angry enough to break a critical piece of kit.



RE: GHB

If it takes longer than 24 hours to get home in a GHB situation you know (or hope its still there and not looted ) that you have food; shelter; water; etc waiting for you.

RE: BOB

I have to state up front that I think the 72hr BOB is a complete and absolute MYTH. Look at Katrina. Anyway, 72 hours was selected as a target survival period for a host of reasons:

1) You will most likely die if you go without water for 3 days.

2) The government has determined that agents will arrive within 72 hours and say "I'm from the Government and here to help" [Yikes] [Shocking]

3) Its the amount of gear that most out of shape / never been on broken ground Americans can ruck.

4) Its an amount of gear that isn't so monumental as to be discouraging to people getting started.

Having said all of that - I believe in setting up BOB's for as long as possible because (again) you are LEAVING the food; water; shelter; sanitation; etc at home.

72hr BOB need to focus on CONSUMABLES vs SUSTAINABLES. A consumable is food while a sustainable is an axe. With a 35# maximum BOB load you don't have a lot of freedom to add "sustainables" because you need to focus your weight allocation to food; water purification; basic shelter; etc.

I'll start a BOB thread when my time allows. As Tom mentioned - my job is very demanding.
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#426007 - 04/27/10 02:05 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Someone asked me just today what a BOB is. I wish I had read this thread before then.
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#426008 - 04/27/10 02:13 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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interesting thread
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#426009 - 04/27/10 05:14 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: coyotebc]
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Yes, I need to print this out.
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#426010 - 04/28/10 07:54 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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Lots of great advice here, thanks for putting it out.
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#426011 - 04/28/10 09:59 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Sethrotull]
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You're certainly welcome
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#426012 - 04/28/10 10:04 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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When do we get the BOB info?
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#426013 - 04/28/10 10:06 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Sethrotull]
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When I have time to put it together. These posts are pretty time consuming.
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#426014 - 04/28/10 10:09 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Quote:

When I have time to put it together. These posts are pretty time consuming.




Yes, I imagine they are. They are, however, some of the most comprehensive and thorough descriptions of kits and their purpose.

Thank you Arch.
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#426015 - 04/28/10 10:09 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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OH I can imagin. Just getting some knife and sheath posts out together takes time.

Thank you again I have learned tons.
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#426016 - 04/28/10 10:11 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: kuanomar]
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My approach towards building kits has evolved dramatically because of these threads. While overall, the contents have not changed dramatically, my philosophy has.

I feel better prepared because of these posts.
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#426017 - 04/28/10 10:50 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Quote:

There have been some questions about the difference between a "GHB" and "BOB" at the Swamp. There have also been questions as to whom to believe when researching survival gear. I wanted to bring my responses to these questions here for my fellow Dawg's.................


Questions from SwampRat:


Quote:

As of lately I have been thumbing through the pages of google, and youtube and looking at peoples packs. and some of them you can tell have never used the products in their pack.

and some of them you can tell some of them get used but others don't. but my biggest thing is deciphering who knows what, and how to take advice from them?

I know what I can do and what I have found to be useful but this changes, not all the time nor on a regular basis but over time, I have found what works for me.

And I know about rucking a pack through the hills, if you have ever been to Red Willow WMA, it is a canyon region of our state. big hills lots of walking, but I only make it out there once a year.

But as far as a SHTF situation going on, I believe I would be at a disadvantage, I would like to think that with my hunting skills and abilities I would be Okay, but looking at it in reality, going hunting and coming back when the sun goes down is relatively easy/ comparatively speaking, as long as you can walk with a little weight.

And I have been camping in "remote" areas but always had a truck/4wheeler nearby.

Ive also contemplated taking my stuff out to the farm and sitting up a tent in the woods, and just be out there by myself for a weekend just to see what I can make of it. It would not be remote,there is a town within 20 minutes, but it would be a test...

the reason I haven't done that yet, is because I would have to take all my water with me, there is no such thing as drinking out of the lakes or streams around there, it is all farm land and lots of pesticides, herbicides, and anhydrous that gets sprayed onto the fields. and I don't have a water purification system that would get rid of these.

the way I see it is this, and please correct me if I'am wrong: a GHB and BOB are some what the same thing, I am imagining that if you had to get home because of an emergency the roads may be clogged, and you may have to do it on foot. which means you may or may not make it home in 24 hrs, or less depending on how far away from work and what the situation is. So you may be living out of your pack for a little while, and in the woods or in an urban environment.





My response:


I've only been on one "real" hike so far this year! This weekend the Mrs and I are going for around a 6-8 mile. In May I'll be going on a four or five day car camping trip with at least one overnight hike.

I'm going to address some of your questions / concerns in no particular order:

1) I started sneaking out into the woods with my uncle in 1983. We wore full military clothing and gear...complete with military rifles. Our "hiking" trips usually occurred on a friendly WW2 vet's property (he tasked us with policing his farm at night). During that time period there weren't many "survival situations" - mostly just confrontations with irritated bulls and/or drunk (or crazy) neighbors. When we (myself; my uncle; his best friend) weren't at the WW2 Vet's property we were either: A) at a paranoid survivalist's house discussing what is now referred to as the NWO; B) driving around the country to gun shows; C) at one of the many survivalist friendly "Surplus & Gun Stores" around our area; etc. Our entire lives revolved around this one area. In '85 my uncle's friend joined the Army and was sent to the Korean DMZ - effectively ending this period. In '86 I met and befriended a guy named Justin. He was interested in the same things as I was. His mom's house was across the street from a huge woods so EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND he and I would sneak out of his Walk-Out Basement after his mom and step-dad fell asleep. J & I would always wear military clothes; carry military equipment; etc. We'd walk through the woods until we were exhausted; cold; wet; and somewhat scared. I'd try to set up camp, but it rarely worked. I can't tell you how many times we'd wake up at 4am in late Stage 1 hypothermia. Simultaneous to this EVERY weekend activity I had befriended a guy in my neighborhood and we'd sneak around the woods near our house doing the same sorts of stuff during the week. This went (ad nuesum) until around '89. In '90 I received my driver's license so State Parks; etc opened themselves up to me. While at University (92-97) I spent exorbitant amounts of time in Illinois's Garden of the Gods; State Parks; etc. While not in the woods; at gun stores / gun shows; surplus stores; or at the range I've studied / bought / tested / sold and/or traded TENS of thousands of dollars worth of gear. To this day, I methodically evaluate my gear. My wife could attest to the fact I probably spend 15 hours a week studying this topic (minimum) and tear down at least one aspect of our gear weekly.

2) Just because someone's gear doesn't look used doesn't mean they don't use their gear. Some people, like me, have duplicates of items so one can be stored for emergencies while the other gets beat on (tested / used / enjoyed). Take my LMF ferro rods...if you look in our kits you'll see brand new firestarters. However, if you look at the one I use - it looks like someone has hacked away at it with a chisel.

3) You CANNOT let someone else's gear drive your gear selection. YOU MUST LET THE MISSION DRIVE THE GEAR SELECTION!!!! Only you can determine what your mission will be.

4) A GHB is SIMILAR to a BOB, but there is one significant difference: MISSION....

A GHB is designed to get you home during a crisis (where your reserve food; medicine; weapons; shelter; etc are). In a GHB situation you know the desired outcome - get home / stay home.

A BOB is designed to sustain you as a refuge. You are leaving all of the comfort and security of your home so you need vastly more gear. Typically a BOB scenario will be far more devastating than a GHB scenario.

5) The similarity between a GHB / PSK / BOB / INCH or whatever is the HUMAN CONDITION . We require a certain set of perimeters to survive:

* Maintained body temperature
* Hydration (water)
* Energy (food)
* Shelter from elements
* Defense (against animals and predatory humans)
* First Aid

As long as you're capable of:

* Finding a suitable location (safe from people if you don't want to be found; safe from animals; safe from flooding; safe from bugs) and building a shelter

* Finding materials to build a fire in poor weather conditions (to improve morale; cook food; maintain core temperature; ward off certain animals; signal if required; etc)

* Finding a suitable water source that can be purified for drinking; cooking; sanitation

* Treating injuries (even minor cuts will go septic in the bush)

* Defending yourself; your gear; your camp

* Preparing the food that you brought while PASSIVELY obtaining local food (as in: trotline fishing; weirs; snares; etc - hunting in a true survival scenario is a waste of energy)

* Navigating across unfamiliar and potentially hostile territory

You will survive.


one more thought....


"Three is two; two is one; one is none"

This was the survivalist mantra during the 80's "survivalist" movement explosion.

Of course we're talking about REDUNDANCY. The level of redundancy in a kit is linked to the kit's mission. A GHB for example will most likely not have two water filters. A BOB, however, might.

When building in redundancy you have to carefully consider the multi-functionality of the product. A 'cost / benefit' analysis is required as ounces add pounds.

For example: I'm a huge advocate of "three ways to make water drinkable". As such my GHB has: Water Filter; Canteen Cup; Water Purification Tablets. The canteen cup also serves as a heating vessel for my oatmeal (energy)...and can heat water to raise core temperatures in cold weather.

I subscribed to, and read ravenously, "AMERICAN SURVIVAL GUIDE" magazine for many years. Prior to the Y2K scare I tore myself away from the "most fun" part of preparations (guns) and focused on food storage and water purification. I bought a year's worth of MRE's and a Katadyn Pocket Filter ($219 in 1999). Why did I do this? I was accustomed to using MRE's for my survival food source, and meticulous research yielded the Pocket Filter to be "the best pump available". The MRE's are long gone (THANK GOODNESS!!!! ) but the Pocket filter sits in my BOB. My BOB also has: Mess Kit (boil water); Purification Tablets. In addition to my BOB I have my Line One PSK (belt order) with: Canteen Cup; AquaMira Frontier Filter; Water Purification Tablets.

Why so much redundancy? Well, because 27 years worth of doing this has yielded two immutable facts:

1) Humans (and I'm a human) are lazy and stupid. Therefore, we have a tendency to LEAVE gear in camp while we wonder out to poop / whatever. After getting lost once (compass in camp) and nearly freezing to death in the woods I decided that I will NEVER be without a primary / basic PSK. Therefore, my belt order is with me 24/7 while the ruck can be left behind while I check a trotline; secure a perimeter; gather firewood; drop a deuce; etc.

2) Humans (and I'm a human) are lazy and stupid. Therefore, we need to have a backup plan when Plan A; B; and C fails because we didn't plan properly; test our plan; execute properly; or just were unlucky or angry enough to break a critical piece of kit.



RE: GHB

If it takes longer than 24 hours to get home in a GHB situation you know (or hope its still there and not looted ) that you have food; shelter; water; etc waiting for you.

RE: BOB

I have to state up front that I think the 72hr BOB is a complete and absolute MYTH. Look at Katrina. Anyway, 72 hours was selected as a target survival period for a host of reasons:

1) You will most likely die if you go without water for 3 days.

2) The government has determined that agents will arrive within 72 hours and say "I'm from the Government and here to help" [Yikes] [Shocking]

3) Its the amount of gear that most out of shape / never been on broken ground Americans can ruck.

4) Its an amount of gear that isn't so monumental as to be discouraging to people getting started.

Having said all of that - I believe in setting up BOB's for as long as possible because (again) you are LEAVING the food; water; shelter; sanitation; etc at home.

72hr BOB need to focus on CONSUMABLES vs SUSTAINABLES. A consumable is food while a sustainable is an axe. With a 35# maximum BOB load you don't have a lot of freedom to add "sustainables" because you need to focus your weight allocation to food; water purification; basic shelter; etc.

I'll start a BOB thread when my time allows. As Tom mentioned - my job is very demanding.




i have gear thats older than me, has been used daily and STILL looks new. i really dont understand some people who think that clean maintained gear does not get used???
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#426018 - 04/28/10 11:48 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Bushman5]
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K & Sethro - thanks for the encouragement to continue. I don't want to "drop the ball" by making a rushed or poor quality BOB post so I've been waiting until my schedule allows me time to really flesh it out. Rest assured, I will create a BOB post.

Bushman - Agreed. I own some kit that I've had for the past 25+ years, and it still looks new. I use the kit, but don't ABUSE the kit.
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#426019 - 05/28/10 08:46 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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You know, looking back over this thread I wonder if I actually need my small stainless steel (boy scout like) mess kit. It's got about a 1 lit pot and a small maybe 6 inch wide bottom frypan with handle and a covered different pan for a top.


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#1034743 - 11/12/15 06:30 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Nothing earth shattering but I finally got my 2 1lit bottle carriers put on my GHB. Why is this noteworthy you ask? Well they were a gift from a GREATLY Informative Dog here. At first I didn't think they would work, but after I put them on the bag and inserted the SS water bottles in and out a couple times I am impressed how well they DO work. They were I believe he said Custom built and hold the bottles very snugly and there is NO slop at all to them. I Like 'em.

This just once again shows how great the hearts are of the Dogs here. smile
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#1034749 - 11/12/15 07:08 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Just finished reading this thread again. I am beginning to think that my 511 push pack would make a good PSK. The Fat boy MIGHT be just a tad to small. Hmmmm Something to think about. Thanks again Gary!


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#1034766 - 11/12/15 10:29 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Glad to help.

My opinion of what's needed for a PSK vs GHB vs BOB vs INCH continues to evolve toward "less is more". I use to be a strong proponent of triple redundancy, but I've become more weight sensitive. Additionally, my skill sets have grown and the more ability you have the less gear you need. As a result, I'm not re-doubling my selections.

If time ever allows I'll write out my revised selections.
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#1034793 - 11/13/15 01:32 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I've been thinking about my earlier statement reference the 511 push pack being a good PSK. It WOULD, but IF is is in addition to, to augment a GHB or BOB, then it wouldn't be all that good as it would be quite difficult to carry with a pack of some kind. SO Like Arch has described several times, a BELT ORDER would be the best way to go. It WOULD be wearable while you have on a pack and you could shed the pack without getting rid of the PSK. NOw to just find a pouch I like the size of and "Get 'er Done"!
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#1034912 - 11/15/15 06:07 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I am thinking of picking this one up for a little grey man action. Their firehose material is super durable and they seem to have great quality control.

http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/tradesmans-tactical-pack-72703.aspx?processor=content
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Did you end up getting anything from Duluth? I've always been impressed with their catalog's and marketing, but haven't actually bought anything from them.
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#1035267 - 11/28/15 12:50 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I have a few pairs of the fire hose pants and an insulated shirt from them as well and they are holding up much better than my carhart stuff. I would say go for it.
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#1037014 - 01/20/16 12:40 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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We recently got a Duluth Trading Co. store in the city I live in. I have purchased a few things to use as work cloths. So far so good. I love their Alaskan Hard Gear Pants.
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#1037043 - 01/20/16 11:37 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I have the alaskan wet weather jacket, it holds up great to 70 mph on the bike. I also have a few of the firehose pants they are fantastic, they hold up great and are comfortable.
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#1037052 - 01/21/16 02:40 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Got three pairs of the Duluth Trading Company firehose pants, great for the colder months but heavy and too warm for the summer. How tough are they? My sons cat jump on my leg while I was wearing them and the claws failed to penetrate to the skin. I've had them for 4-5 years and they show next to no wear and tear. I also sewed buttons on the pants and wear them with their suspenders/bracers, very comfortable that way.

Their "butt-naked" line of underwear is also outstanding as well as their 100% wool longjohns, when they have them in stock.

They have a shirt that they advertise as "hanger bending shirts" that are more of a jacket than a shirt.

Overall, I've been very happy with everything I've received from them.
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#1037054 - 01/21/16 02:42 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Mastiff, what's a good source for wool pants (remember I'm cheap) wink
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#1037055 - 01/21/16 02:49 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I think a good Army Surplus store is your best bet for inexpensive wool pants. They may be from a few years ago, not made in the US, and they are getting harder to find, but there are still good bargains if you can find your size. You can increase your chance of success if you are willing to buy a bit big and have them tailored too. It will add to the cost but a good tailor can fit them exactly the way you want them to fit.


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Thanks. Never thought of that. There is a surplus store about 60 miles from here I might have to check out when I get a chance. I wear 40X30 so maybe they'll have something. (yeah I know, I'm workin on it. I WAS a 42-44 a few months ago. smile


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#1037057 - 01/21/16 03:13 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I found a great place to buy 100% wool blankets too: Alpaca4less.com

I bought a king sized Alpaca wool blanket for my California King bed, which is a bit larger than a traditional king sized bed, and it fits amazingly well. We have about 20-25" tucked under the mattress and it's still long enough to comfortably cover the pillows. It's wide enough to drape 12-15" over the sides of the bed too.

I like sleeping in the cold so I crack a bedroom window even in the winter. I turn into a furnace when I sleep, much to my wife's delight, 'cause she hates the cold. When the temps drop into the 60's, she's breaking out the thermals.

This wool blanket, along with a sheet and a very light top blanket, keeps her toasty and me cool. I got her a mattress heater for Christmas a few years ago that she uses every night, but it's down to the lowest setting with this wool blanket.

The offering from this company are hit and miss, so if you see what you want, grab it, it may not be there next time you check. They ran some amazing discounts in December, so I got a bunch of Alpaca wool hats for Christmas stocking stuffers. Every one of the five people that received a hat raved about how comfortable and warm the alpaca wool is. I guess I should have got one for myself!
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Skunk, I'm 44-46" at the waist and 56" at the chest, so I always have problems with clothes.

That's another reason I like Duluth Trading, they have a well stocked Big and Tall section.
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I remember reading about your Blanket post and checked them out. Yeah they got some good buys. Patty and I both like it cool when we sleep so we just use a thin top blanket from Wally world and a throw down from our waist (sometimes) down to our toes. A lot of the time it is just from the knees down.
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#1037097 - 01/22/16 08:18 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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My original post is almost six years old, and a few things have changed. If I find time, I'll compile a new set of pictures and a revised list of gear.

Its a good idea to inspect gear periodically.
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#1040832 - 06/06/16 12:23 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I was talking to Gary about some stuff and I asked him about some packs and stuff.

He said that he and his Bride both carry a VERY portable PSK. Mine presently consists of the Maxped Fatty Organizer as described in the Malaga/Fatty thread.

He also said they use the Maxped Sitka as a GHB. GREAT choice! I went and looked at them for the size and found this out.

We both use the Maxped Fatty (thanks for the tip Gary!)
They use the Sitka whereas I use the Malaga.

The Sitka comes in at 940 cubic inches and the Malaga at 700. I PERSONALLY prefer the Malaga because the strap (top attachment point) is in the center of the pack NOT off to one side as is the Sitka. For me this just allows more versatility as you can configure the Malaga to carry over either shoulder.

Being a Gear Hoarder, I would even pack the kitchen sink if the bag were bigger. But being limited I had to pick and choose carefully (I hope). There you have my reasons for the smaller bag. AND by never (well almost) being more than 30 miles from home I hope the malaga will suffice. We makes our choices and we takes our chances.

I also have the Maxped Condor II (1400 cu in). It would make a fantastic GHB, allowing you to carry more stuff, but as I said above... It would even suffice for a LITE BOB, allowing you to travel faster thereby saving more time and supplies so you could get "resupplied" in some way than if you were carrying a full size 3 day or larger pack. Now don't get me wrong, I feel a 3 day assault size bag is the MINIMUM for a good BOB, but sometimes we can't always get what we want. smile

That said, I DO have a Three day assault pack, NOT the three day assault Plus I wish I had, but it's big enough to carry the essentials plus some "Quality of life" items, that will differ for each of us. Meaning something to allow us to "Relax", something to just occupy our minds and allow us to not think about pure survival for a small period of time. A stress reliever/reducer.

Well there you have it. Hopefully this will in some small way help you out either to get started or get you to thinking about your SHTF situations.

Skunk, the UNPROVEN survival expert. But I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. smile wink



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#1045390 - 11/06/16 07:28 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Well my GHB/MINI BOB is inna house. It's time to switch out for winter wear. I've already got the wool blanket I bought in the Jeep and spare wool socks, sock hat gloves and other items ready for winter. Still haven't gotten a set of wool pants though. That's really the only thing lacking. I have all the clothing items in wool (except for the previously mentioned pants) ready to go and a good set of winter boots. I've got emergency space blanket and poncho (along with an all weather space blanket and full poncho) along with all the normally thought of "Survival" gear to keep me safe in case of a winter mishap.


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#1051595 - 10/27/17 02:23 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Well Dogs, it's that time of the year again. YUP, time to change out from summer concerns to the Fall/Winter "Survival/GHB" mindset. I've got to go through my bag and remove some summer only items and replace them with winter items. SOME things of course will remain in the bag, but others will be removed only to be replaced with items suitable for Winter Unexpected encounters.
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#1051596 - 10/27/17 02:37 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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I have several bags/packs to pick from but I don't really trust any but my Maxped/511 items for this possibly live saving task of getting ready for winter.
I have a Malaga (11 liter bag) that is great for day duty and light GHB tasks. I have a Condor II (23 liter) for more extended periods and a GG 3 day assault pack for even longer periods.

BUT I am wanting something between the Malaga and Condor II specifically for winter as I will be adding more bulky winter gloves wool socks/Beanie hat and other winter associated gear along with the normal health/hygiene items. What kind of suggestions do Y'all have? Remember, MORE than 11 liters but LESS than 23.
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#1051612 - 10/28/17 04:53 PM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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Just use your Condor, but don't overstuff it.
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#1051622 - 10/29/17 01:57 AM Re: My PSK & Get-Home-Bag (Lots of Pics) [Re: Lord Mortdecai]
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YUP, going to.
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