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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: Paul the Brit'] #44039 04/18/07 04:15 PM
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Dan good rant, Vic make sure some of the Russian babes make it to good old Blighty!

On a more serious note, Dan you have made many good points and sadly paint a bleak future.. Germany got into a similar mess in the 30's and look what happened there! Let's hope America finds a Winston Churchill not an Adolf Hitler to save the realm.

We do need some leadership, it would seem. None of the current crop of Republicrats seems interested. Maybe "the realm" is already over run by the barbarians. There seem to be plenty of little hitlers, but no Churchills.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: Paul the Brit'] #44040 04/18/07 04:20 PM
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Dan good rant, Vic make sure some of the Russian babes make it to good old Blighty!

On a more serious note, Dan you have made many good points and sadly paint a bleak future.. Germany got into a similar mess in the 30's and look what happened there! Let's hope America finds a Winston Churchill not an Adolf Hitler to save the realm.

I just wish that kids would be kids and get on with it. As far as the country as a whole is concerned hopefully we do get a good leader to correct this mess. People argue back and forth about Presidents but in the end it is not just one president that is responsible for this.... It is all of them. They need to correct the mistakes of the previous person and be sure not to make any bigger ones when in office.

Unfortunately the activists are the ones that make life hell regarding anything. Take something as small as smoking. Is it good for you? No. Does it kill? Yes and No, depending on how much of it you do.. People protest, everything becomes nonsmoking we all lose a right. People say, so what! We just saved lives! Sure, ok, but we lost a right and now follows something else which will snowball into dictatorship. Do I need to be told to not eat trans fat and have it banned... No!!! But the government would rather focus on these issues, that innocent people are smoking legal cigs and eating trans fat than deal with the fact that their cities are becoming death traps.

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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: Paul the Brit'] #44041 04/18/07 04:21 PM
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Bottom line: anybody with a gun who walks into a school shooting, defenseless kids will die.
The fact that the shooter's skin is white, brown, black, yellow.. is really moot.

Vic is right.. these Sickos *do* target Schools! they know it's Easy!

(minors)
imo.. elementary to high schools need to be Secured! In Los Angeles, they're like Jails; surrounded w/ chain link & barbed wire w/ few entry points, cameras, security guards w/ radios, whole 9 yards.. because of gang problems.. but this will help against Colorado take-over style/molestor gunmen.

(adults)
community colleges, universities, etc
I don't care what their "rules" say.. I carry my pistol EVERYWHERE i can.
like Vic said.. the Law sure as hell AIN'T gonna protect us!!
Laws are just words on paper. Criminals don't abide by them.
Realistically we cannot expect police to protect everyone at all times.
In the end it is up to US to protect Ourselves.


there Are some places that prevent me.. court houses/big airports have metal detectors, some theme parks have metal detectors

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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: DMelone] #44042 04/18/07 04:29 PM
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Just my two cents but all of us should have a problem with illegals. The eat up our health care system. They are also over running the prision system. None of the have car insurance or a drivers license so if you have an accident you are screwed. They don't pay income taxes. As a police officer I see this every day.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: PSG1] #44043 04/18/07 05:01 PM
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Just my two cents but all of us should have a problem with illegals. The eat up our health care system. They are also over running the prision system. None of the have car insurance or a drivers license so if you have an accident you are screwed. They don't pay income taxes. As a police officer I see this every day.
As a police officer, you are much more aware of their impact than most of us. It is time to enforce our immigration laws AND reform them. Those nations who have violated them most should be penalized. "You can't send 12 to 20 million illegals home", some say. Yes we can. If we make it impossible to get work here, they will leave. None of this has much to do with the murders in VA, but it is important to our continued survival as a recognizable civilization.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: Horn Dog] #44044 04/18/07 07:20 PM
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Dan - great stuff.

PSG and Vic - good call - send them home when they're caught, and have severe punishment for those employing illegals. If they need medical help, give it to them, and then deport them. If they have kids here that are citizens, they can either be adopted, or sent back to Mexico with them until they are able to immigrate legally.

My wife and I had to jump through hoops and do paperwork for her to even come on base when we were stationed in Korea to go to the grocery store after we got married (took over 5 months) and then go through all of the hoops to immigrate - and this is as a serviceman's wife with a son who is a US citizen (foreign born obviously) - there's no reason that a freeloader should be able to essentially "get away" with jumping the border, and then go unpunished for doing so.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: diceman] #44045 04/18/07 07:30 PM
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Did you all see the e-mail that said:

"Its April 15th have you paid your taxes? 25 million illegal aliens are depending on you!"

Too funny & too true.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: ZeroNine] #44046 04/18/07 07:34 PM
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I am from VA and I know we have the laxest gun laws out there which is nice, except I was shocked to hear that resident aliens could purchase guns.

As most of you know the reason the back ground check takes a max of 10 minutes is called Computer technology. The radical left thinks it is shocking to allow someone to buy a gun in ten minutes. You would be suprised to know how much Big Brother knows about us all and that this data can all be pulled up and auto reviewed in less than a minute if the bandwidth is right.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: ZeroNine] #44047 04/19/07 01:44 AM
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Nutjob sent a video and a bunch of pix to NBC - I just watched some clips at fox news. What a sick SOB.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: diceman] #44048 04/19/07 01:54 PM
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AS a British citizen I can say that we probably have some of the most restrictive firearms laws in the world it still doesn't stop every screwball with a grudge against society finding a gun
Finally may I say a prayer for the families who have suffered at the hands of this coward who picked the softest of targets

Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: jd01] #44049 04/19/07 02:22 PM
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Whack job for sure. What I can't wrap my head around is that after he smoked 2 or 3 people, why there wasn't a concerted effort to rush and subdue him. It seems like some sort of survival instinct would take over.

A tragedy nonetheless.


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Re: VA Tech Shootings [Re: Arkie] #44050 04/19/07 06:11 PM
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Arkie,
AGREED!
in fact i remember watching (iirc) some 20/20 study of how a middle school got in trouble for teaching their students how to Overwhelm an armed attacker.. by throwing chairs, objects at hand.. at the shooter, and then try to tackle him.

Reminds me of
-the kid who brought an AK to school shooting.. the principal was killed trying to tackle him, but a custodian got to the kid and disarmed him.
That principal was a Hero!

Also in Cho's rampage..
Someone told me that a brave professor barricaded the door to a room with his body.. getting killed in the process but giving some college students time to climb out of windows.
This professor was a Hero!

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Profile of Campus Killers - 5 Common Factors
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6567143.stm
Cho felt that the 2 Columbine shooters were Martyrs!


Schools Examine Safety Warning Systems
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_campus_alerts_23

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Unfortunately.. i KNOW this will happen again at other schools in the future!
I just hope that.. i dunno.. school/campus officials, campus security, local police, other students, etc.. can somehow Learn.. and somehow minimize fatalities in the future..

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