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Re: AR-15 question [Re: rvogster] #47620 04/26/07 07:19 PM
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Another nice looking rifle!

I have heard about QC issues with Olympic Arms and just not very high quality parts. You shouldn't have any issues with the lower receiver though.

I have kind of the same situation. Lots of people dislike DPMS. I have a DPMS lower but everything else is either RRA or CMMG which are both known for quality parts. My forged DPMS lower is perfect as far as lower receivers go.
Yeah that's what i figured.. as long as the trigger isn't 'slopping' around and the last-shot hold open works.. it's good to go. Wasn't planning for this to be the 1' tack driver.
All the feed/reliability stuff occurs in the Upper anyways <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: AR-15 question [Re: rvogster] #47621 04/26/07 07:21 PM
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The people from CMMG are at most of the Missouri gun shows. I spent an hour talking to them one time. They are very nice, and seem quite knowledgable. I wish they built their own .308 AR platforms (they are dealers of DPMS). I nearly traded them my Olympic Arms toward one of their .223 AR's.

Also at some of the shows they have a trach can full of cosmetic second AR;s that are heavily discounted.

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Re: AR-15 question [Re: SSCamaro99_3] #47622 04/26/07 07:25 PM
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The people from CMMG are at most of the Missouri gun shows. I spent an hour talking to them one time. They are very nice, and seem quite knowledgable. I wish they built their own .308 AR platforms (they are dealers of DPMS). I nearly traded them my Olympic Arms toward one of their .223 AR's.

CMMG is awesome to deal with. They have a really good rep in the AR industry and I know they do use DPMS parts but they do much better QC checks than DPMS and I think they make some of there own parts.

Re: AR-15 question [Re: rvogster] #47623 04/26/07 07:39 PM
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The people from CMMG are at most of the Missouri gun shows. I spent an hour talking to them one time. They are very nice, and seem quite knowledgable. I wish they built their own .308 AR platforms (they are dealers of DPMS). I nearly traded them my Olympic Arms toward one of their .223 AR's.

CMMG is awesome to deal with. They have a really good rep in the AR industry and I know they do use DPMS parts but they do much better QC checks than DPMS and I think they make some of there own parts.

I "think" their .223 rifles are made completely in house. If anything is DPMS, it is the lower reciever. Tthe barrels are 4150 instead of 4140, and they parkerize them disassembled, and then put them together so that there is no bare metal under the front sight, and so on. They were only charging $16 for 30 round mags (brand new) that were their reccommended brand at the gun show. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: AR-15 question [Re: SSCamaro99_3] #47624 04/26/07 08:05 PM
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Yes tony this topic is pretty hot. Im glade tho cause im reading every post no mater how long it is and im learning alot.

Im realy sold on building my own AR. I do have another question tho. I want to build a compact yet light AR. Is there any regulations on how long the barrel and gun have to be??

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Re: AR-15 question [Re: KnifeParty] #47625 04/26/07 08:13 PM
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Yes tony this topic is pretty hot. Im glade tho cause im reading every post no mater how long it is and im learning alot.

Im realy sold on building my own AR. I do have another question tho. I want to build a compact yet light AR. Is there any regulations on how long the barrel and gun have to be??

It has to be 16 inches long to not be and SBR. An SBR would have to be registered as an NFA weapon. The 16 inches can include the flash hider/suppressor if it is permanently attached. If it is just threaded on then the barrel must be 16 inches.

Re: AR-15 question [Re: SSCamaro99_3] #47626 04/26/07 08:18 PM
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The people from CMMG are at most of the Missouri gun shows. I spent an hour talking to them one time. They are very nice, and seem quite knowledgable. I wish they built their own .308 AR platforms (they are dealers of DPMS). I nearly traded them my Olympic Arms toward one of their .223 AR's.

CMMG is awesome to deal with. They have a really good rep in the AR industry and I know they do use DPMS parts but they do much better QC checks than DPMS and I think they make some of there own parts.

I "think" their .223 rifles are made completely in house. If anything is DPMS, it is the lower reciever. Tthe barrels are 4150 instead of 4140, and they parkerize them disassembled, and then put them together so that there is no bare metal under the front sight, and so on. They were only charging $16 for 30 round mags (brand new) that were their reccommended brand at the gun show. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

When I bought mine they were just making there own barrels. Now I think they have upper receivers and I know they have CMMG marked lower receivers now. I think they use DPMS lower parts though which is ok because they catch any QC issues in house. Most lower parts kits are all made at the same few places and just sold by the different companies anyway.

I would definitely recommend CMMG but you will pay more for them. Model 1 Sales and J&T Distributing both do kits and have pretty good reps and will be cheaper than buying an upper, LPK and stock separately.

Re: AR-15 question [Re: tony22r] #47627 04/26/07 10:55 PM
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KnifeParty,
Wow this thread filled up fast!

In Nov 1999 i decided to build myself a Y2K rifle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

$155 Olympic Arms lower receiver
$500 Bushmaster kit: preassembled upper w/ 16" heavy barrel, all furniture
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$655 my total out-the-door, back in 1999.

My goal was carbine-length, 30-rnd mags.. just something handy for suburbs & shooting people/cars "down the street". In retrospect i shoulda got the Light 16" barrel.. for lighter overall weight. So now i wanna trade my 16" Heavy for a 16" Light barrel.

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If you can completely disassemble/reassemble a 1911, you shouldn't have any problems w/ building your own AR.

Buying a pre-assembled Upper Receiver w/ Barrel helps a lot. That way you don't have to mess w/ torquing barrel, headspacing, gas port stuff, blah blah.

As someone above said, www.AR15.com forums has lots of tips, how-to's, & nice exploded diagrams.

Anyways, g'luck with that.


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What's the bad news about Olympic Arms? i only have their lower receiver, so don't know about any other parts they might make/sell.


Hmm sounds like a good idea. I know parts have prolly gone up since 99 but ive been looking prices of lowers and think i mite go with an olympic lower and a better brand upper.


Keep the info and suggestons rolling im learning tons here.


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Re: AR-15 question [Re: KnifeParty] #47628 04/27/07 03:57 AM
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Im realy sold on building my own AR. I do have another question tho. I want to build a compact yet light AR. Is there any regulations on how long the barrel and gun have to be??

You can also get an AR15 pistol, but you can’t put a stock on it. If you want a shorty with a stock, ya gotta pay the $200 class III tax for a short barreled rifle. I dunno if you can have that in Cali though.


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Re: AR-15 question [Re: Andy Wayne] #47629 04/27/07 04:07 AM
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I've got a 16" upper coming, and I was just going to put it on my full size A2 stock lower - but I'm really thinking about picking up a collapsable stock lower since the Dems are going to try and take them away again, I'm sure!

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Re: AR-15 question [Re: diceman] #47630 04/27/07 12:28 PM
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I've got a 16" upper coming, and I was just going to put it on my full size A2 stock lower - but I'm really thinking about picking up a collapsable stock lower since the Dems are going to try and take them away again, I'm sure!

Copy that, evil black rifles are going to have a tough go over the next several years.


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Re: AR-15 question [Re: diceman] #47631 04/27/07 01:11 PM
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I've got a 16" upper coming, and I was just going to put it on my full size A2 stock lower - but I'm really thinking about picking up a collapsable stock lower since the Dems are going to try and take them away again, I'm sure!
Why not just replace the A2 fixed stock w/ a collapsible stock?
Personally i've always thought the A2 was a bit too long. Folks who wear vests/armor seem to agree.

I've considered doing this, but was worried about:
-shorter recoil spring in collapsible stock affecting cycling.
-in kalifornia, i'd prolly have to pin it in 1 position to be legal. bastids.
-not sure if they rattle a lot? I was considering Bushmaster 4-position one for ~$80. (:edit: $106.95! err they raised the price)
-then i found Shorty Fixed stocks! <- now considering them.

Stubby Stock, $69.50, 14.6 oz
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/buttstocks/9349119-s-kit.asp
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Shorty 'Ace' Stock, $134.95, 12.8 oz
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/buttstocks/skel-sh-stk.asp
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That's the cool thing about ARs though KnifeParty.. you can customize & build it up to your fancy, change things along the way <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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