Re: What is INFI made from?
[Re: SSCamaro99_3]
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04/26/07 06:10 PM
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I was reading a thread that metioned it was based off of chipper steels. Lots of questions, few answers. Sounds sensible. A couple of metallurgists at the Technical University of Trondheim, Norway claim to be able to make Uddeholm's Viking/Chipper steel perform very closely to INFI (actually, they claim to be able to surpass it, whatever that means).
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Re: What is INFI made from?
[Re: kevral]
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04/26/07 06:34 PM
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Hi Russ and welcome! I have actually printed that web sites info page and keep it nearby for review a lot! This is a interesting Iron that makes a incredible blade steel. Indeed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> I can't believe all the stuff in it!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Everyone who owns a piece swears by it. Good enough for me.I will make it a priority for my birthday that my bride finds me a stick of that wonder steel! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> The SR-77 that Dan and Patti produce is just stupid hard. I would stake my life on any blade that they have turned out so far. I have never owned steel that takes such abuse and holds a edge. Sharpens back to hair popping in a jiffy and is thick enough to jab into a tree and use as a leg up for climbing. The most amazing steel I have ever "NOT" treated like a knife. What idiot would whack down a 18 inch circumference tree with a Dog Father? ![[Linked Image from i167.photobucket.com]](http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u151/Prince_of_Peace/ItCutsLikebutter.jpg) Me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> But,have it tomato slicing sharp in less than 60 seconds... only SR-77 from the Yard. I'll get me INFi one day. But I will NEVER stop or even slow my love affair with SR-77 by Scrap Yard Knife Company. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Peace.
Some people just never learn.
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Re: What is INFI made from?
[Re: Prince of Peace]
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04/26/07 06:55 PM
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Dan and Jerry's knives are all about the alignment of the steel's crystals. the carbides and ferrite bands line up to form tight, uniform grain that can achieve a high hardness without becoming brittle or needing a high carbon content. They could have probably used a lot of different steels with the same or similar results. We all know it's largely in the heat treat but i'm also willing to bet there's a cap in the carbon content they wouldn't go past. My guess is .7% but i pulled that right out of thin air, no scientific explanation or reason whatsoever. maybe in the austenite or martensite a higher carbon blade would shatter under their heat treat process. Goin on what ColdOne said about the 10 hour, super slow cooling, that's some pretty hardcore annealing and would make the steel pearlite which is possibly necessitated by the later stages of the heat treat. i can't see this happening post-hardening because you have to have a fast quench from austenite to create martensite. some quench cryogenically because there is usually some austenite left in the martensite that is unstable at room temperature that takes years to become martensitic, the cryo treatment accelerates that to a few hours. guess that could be it. still i can imagine them using a super pearlite in preparation for all the stress it will be put through in the austenite and martensite phases. once again, speaking directly from my hindquarters without a lick of scientific knowledge. all i see at every stage is an idea that brittle is bad and the Busses keep as far away from it as possible.
I'd like to see what they could do with sandvik and 5160, two medium-high carbon steels with reputations for toughness.
I'm not really sure of the role that nitrogen plays in the steel but other than that infi isn't all hat special chemically. s30v and h-1 have the same nitrogen content as infi but s30v is very high carbon and h-1 is high silicon. infi is high in neither. it has carbon levels more in line with inox and 12c27mod. if you read this whole post, you get a cookie. if you didn't you're probably better off.
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Re: What is INFI made from?
[Re: Magnum22]
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04/26/07 07:03 PM
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Dan and Jerry's knives are all about the alignment of the steel's crystals. the carbides and ferrite bands line up to form tight, uniform grain that can achieve a high hardness without becoming brittle or needing a high carbon content. They could have probably used a lot of different steels with the same or similar results. We all know it's largely in the heat treat but i'm also willing to bet there's a cap in the carbon content they wouldn't go past. My guess is .7% but i pulled that right out of thin air, no scientific explanation or reason whatsoever. maybe in the austenite or martensite a higher carbon blade would shatter under their heat treat process. Goin on what ColdOne said about the 10 hour, super slow cooling, that's some pretty hardcore annealing and would make the steel pearlite which is possibly necessitated by the later stages of the heat treat. i can't see this happening post-hardening because you have to have a fast quench from austenite to create martensite. some quench cryogenically because there is usually some austenite left in the martensite that is unstable at room temperature that takes years to become martensitic, the cryo treatment accelerates that to a few hours. guess that could be it. still i can imagine them using a super pearlite in preparation for all the stress it will be put through in the austenite and martensite phases. once again, speaking directly from my hindquarters without a lick of scientific knowledge. all i see at every stage is an idea that brittle is bad and the Busses keep as far away from it as possible.
I'd like to see what they could do with sandvik and 5160, two medium-high carbon steels with reputations for toughness.
I'm not really sure of the role that nitrogen plays in the steel but other than that infi isn't all hat special chemically. s30v and h-1 have the same nitrogen content as infi but s30v is very high carbon and h-1 is high silicon. infi is high in neither. it has carbon levels more in line with inox and 12c27mod. if you read this whole post, you get a cookie. if you didn't you're probably better off. What did he just say?!?!?
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Re: What is INFI made from?
[Re: Magnum22]
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04/26/07 07:07 PM
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I think that one of the best things about INFI is what is not in it. S30V is a really cool steel but it is brittle and hard to sharpen and I think that is because it has to much cromium. A little bit of cromium is great like in 5160 where it gives a hardness kick that makes the mid carbon steel have the edge retention of high carbon but without losing any of the mid carbon toughness.
"if you want to be a hero you have to learn to drive stick"! Sara Conner
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Re: What is INFI made from?
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04/26/07 07:48 PM
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I soaked my S6 and SS4 in warm salty water for three hours.. Trust me, no contest on corrosion resistance! THERE IS A QUANTUM LEAP IN CORROSION RESISTANCE. The SS4 came out the same way it went in. The S6 needed some t.l.c and a total resharpen to restore it.
I love my S6 dearly. It's had the crap totally kicked out of it, top knife!! My SS4 only has Lansky clamp scars in the black coat.
Is INFI worth the extra? Good question.. Give me a few years with my Badger (when it arrives) and I'll let you know!
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Re: What is INFI made from?
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04/26/07 07:50 PM
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SSCamaro99_3
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Hey, Magnum. Any chance we can get some ecplanation of some of the more technical terms. Pearlite, Austenite, and so forth?
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Re: What is INFI made from?
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04/26/07 07:58 PM
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Magnum22
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I have often maintained that a person who collects Busse knives has to have at least one INFI knife if for no other reason that it represents "the best of the best". and it might as well be their flagship model, the king of big knives, the battle mistress!
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Re: What is INFI made from?
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04/26/07 08:07 PM
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I believe that is the magical formula...good research skills Dan
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Re: What is INFI made from?
[Re: RussMo]
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04/26/07 08:10 PM
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Hello Gents, This is my first response to any topics, for I am new to SYKW's. Peace, I think what your after is the following web site. It's a good site, and will give you a idea of several of the high end, and common steel elemental makeups. www.cutleryscience.com/reviews/blade_materials.htmlLater, Russ form Alaska Welcome to the Yard Dumpster Dan
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04/26/07 08:11 PM
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