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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: SkunkHunter] #561368 01/20/11 07:06 PM
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The lever gun is a Marlin too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> .


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: Endeavour Morse] #561369 01/20/11 07:07 PM
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Randy,

Federal law (National Fireams Act of 1934) defined the legal minimum shotgun barrel length as 18".

For a rifle it is 16" with an OAL of 26".


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: Endeavour Morse] #561370 01/20/11 07:09 PM
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Under the National Firearms Act (NFA) it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun, i.e. with a barrel length less than 18 inches (46 cm) and an overall length less than 26 inches (66 cm), without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which requires a background check and a $200 fee for every transfer. However, if the weapon was manufactured by a licensed builder, with a short barrel and no stock, the transfer fee is $5. [1] (Short-barreled muzzleloading blackpowder shotguns, in contrast, are not illegal by federal law and require no tax-stamped permit, although they may be illegal under state law.) As with all NFA regulated firearms, a new tax stamp must be purchased before every transfer. Inter-state transfers must be facilitated through a Class III Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealer while intrastate transfers may be between two persons.[6]




http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00005845----000-.html




(a) Firearm
The term “firearm” means
(1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length;
(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;
(5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e);
(6) a machinegun;
(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and
(8) a destructive device. The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector’s item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: Endeavour Morse] #561371 01/20/11 07:10 PM
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That's what I thought as well, but I have had two different opinions now, no make that 3. Two of them (chief deputy) and a BATF officer said it was legal. Now you know why It never leaves the house or has the barrel on it!


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: Endeavour Morse] #561372 01/20/11 07:12 PM
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You are in possession of an illegal SBS (Short Barreled Shotgun)....

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: Endeavour Morse] #561373 01/20/11 07:13 PM
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Here is a quote from the ATF website....

"A SBS consists of a shotgun that has a barrel less than 18 inches in length."

SBS are Class 3 weapons and require Form 4 ownership possession (you have to pay $200 worth of tax prior to making the SBS).


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: SkunkHunter] #561374 01/20/11 07:14 PM
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Just to be on the safe side I have thought about having a sort of muzzle brake soldered to the end of it. Then I wouldn't be afraid to mount the barrel on the receiver.


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: Endeavour Morse] #561375 01/20/11 07:14 PM
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You are also in violation of the law by owning the receiver and cut down barrel. This is called "constructive ownership" and carries a 10 year federal prison sentence.

I use to work with a Class 3 dealer...


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: SkunkHunter] #561376 01/20/11 07:17 PM
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I'm even more confused now I think.

Ok, As long as the barrel is not mounted on the shotgun am I ok?


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Ok then I need to trash the barrel, right?


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: SkunkHunter] #561378 01/20/11 07:18 PM
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No!

The ATF defines "constructive possession" as having all of the parts to build an illegal Class 3 weapon on the same premises.

Put another way...

Can you own a M60 if its not registered and is dissembled? No. Same thing applies to your SBS.


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Re: What is your SHTF rifle? [Re: Endeavour Morse] #561379 01/20/11 07:20 PM
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