Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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The lever gun is a Marlin too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> .
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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Randy,
Federal law (National Fireams Act of 1934) defined the legal minimum shotgun barrel length as 18".
For a rifle it is 16" with an OAL of 26".
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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Under the National Firearms Act (NFA) it is illegal for a private citizen to possess a sawed-off modern smokeless powder shotgun, i.e. with a barrel length less than 18 inches (46 cm) and an overall length less than 26 inches (66 cm), without a tax-stamped permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which requires a background check and a $200 fee for every transfer. However, if the weapon was manufactured by a licensed builder, with a short barrel and no stock, the transfer fee is $5. [1] (Short-barreled muzzleloading blackpowder shotguns, in contrast, are not illegal by federal law and require no tax-stamped permit, although they may be illegal under state law.) As with all NFA regulated firearms, a new tax stamp must be purchased before every transfer. Inter-state transfers must be facilitated through a Class III Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealer while intrastate transfers may be between two persons.[6] http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode26/usc_sec_26_00005845----000-.html(a) Firearm The term “firearm” means (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (5) any other weapon, as defined in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and (8) a destructive device. The term “firearm” shall not include an antique firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a collector’s item and is not likely to be used as a weapon.
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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That's what I thought as well, but I have had two different opinions now, no make that 3. Two of them (chief deputy) and a BATF officer said it was legal. Now you know why It never leaves the house or has the barrel on it!
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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Here is a quote from the ATF website....
"A SBS consists of a shotgun that has a barrel less than 18 inches in length."
SBS are Class 3 weapons and require Form 4 ownership possession (you have to pay $200 worth of tax prior to making the SBS).
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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Just to be on the safe side I have thought about having a sort of muzzle brake soldered to the end of it. Then I wouldn't be afraid to mount the barrel on the receiver.
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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You are also in violation of the law by owning the receiver and cut down barrel. This is called "constructive ownership" and carries a 10 year federal prison sentence.
I use to work with a Class 3 dealer...
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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I'm even more confused now I think.
Ok, As long as the barrel is not mounted on the shotgun am I ok?
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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Ok then I need to trash the barrel, right?
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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No!
The ATF defines "constructive possession" as having all of the parts to build an illegal Class 3 weapon on the same premises.
Put another way...
Can you own a M60 if its not registered and is dissembled? No. Same thing applies to your SBS.
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Re: What is your SHTF rifle?
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