Again, thank you bill. If it wasn't for the folks we like there, we would not be going there any more. And You are EXACTLY right.

Many years ago, our pastor was in school with me. He was "On the fringe" if you understand what I mean. He was not well liked and he (by his own mouth to us) blamed the teachers for his inability to learn. He made it through a bible college so he has the ability.

Anyway, once he told us that he was going to prove to "OUR TOWN" that he was not the looser "THEY" thought he was when we were younger. Now don't get me wrong, he has the ABILITY to preach a good sermon and he has. But he is letting more of his own personality enter into it all the time and he does not see that he is doing anything wrong. The "Church" knows what he is doing but HE is just blaming US as not being receptive to his messages. Our only hope to find someone that is what a pastor should be is for him to quit. "THEY" will not vote him out.

Oh well, you have just proved again that you are wiser than you think, and are more religious in your thinking than you realize. You TRULY are a good, wise and honorable man.

Haha, maybe I need to eat more Fruit Roll-ups! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

As far as your Decon's father goes, i cannot understand this.
A man of faith deserves to have his spiritual needs looked after.
Even if the father is in a state where he doesn't know what is happening around him, his son deserves the respect as well.
In fact imo your congregation deserves the respect

Yeah this one incident has everybody stirred up quite a bit. And the fact that several people heard the preacher say this has not helped at all.

But as you said, we will get through this, one way or another, it's just tough. Patty and I both enjoy church, or at least we did.

Randy, you may find this funny but i had a friend (he has moved away) that is a religious leader in his church.
He always maintained that i am a non-believing believer

And you both will enjoy it again.

I have often thought that very same thing about you myself!

Well i guess i believe in people
i do believe in the universality of right and wrong, even if at different times in history there have been whole cultures that seem to defy this logic.

i always try to know myself and to be honest to myself
on this particular subject i have my belief but make allowances for the opinions of others

Morning guys, how's things

pretty good how about with you

YUP, that's it in a nutshell! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Good Morning Jared.