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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: DogTired] #740958 01/02/13 01:46 AM
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Awesome set of posts.

In reviewing the "Summary", it appears even pistols like my Glock 19 would be on the list, as a "handgun that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics"?? Thoughts?

Does anyone have a link to the actual proposed legislation? The Summary is too vague. Thanks.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: Ishikawa] #740959 01/02/13 01:57 AM
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That's the point Ish. It's sufficiently broad that almost ANY pistol could fall under this. What constitutes a "military characteristic?" Rail? Night sights? Adjustable sights? Polymer frame? Metal frame?


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: Ishikawa] #740960 01/02/13 01:57 AM
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I have to admit I had a good giggle about the "Legitimate Hunters" wording.

I need a drink.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: Ishikawa] #740961 01/02/13 02:08 AM
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Is there an illegitimate hunter?


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: DogTired] #740962 01/02/13 02:33 AM
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Feinstein fails to understand that the 2nd Amendment is not about hunting or sports.

She has before mentioned that if she could get the vote, she would have every American turn in their guns.

Confusingly she also held a CA CCW (which is very hard to get) in order to defend herself and said she would do that again.

Which is it?

These politicians seem to think that the rules shouldn't apply to them.

Its very easy to think of society as very safe without personal guns if you live in a rich neighborhood, behind iron gates and have a personal armed guard on stand by at all times.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: monsterdog] #740963 01/02/13 02:35 AM
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Also, if you live in Illinois, write your state legislators right now, someone is proposing an all out ban with confiscation on "assault weapons" (what ever that is).

Just remember all, that the agenda is to weaken your rights a little at a time and only for certain subgroups of the gun owning public. Divide and conquer.

So all the hunters who don't care about pistol owners or military styled rifle owners won't speak up, next time the revolver owners won't speak up, etc.

Until no-one can own a firearm any longer, including "legitimate hunters".


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: monsterdog] #740964 01/02/13 02:47 AM
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Question: If someone owns a registered SBR, does it require additional registration...or is the current registration sufficient? Additionally, if a rifle requires registration, can I simply SBR it while I'm at it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Serious question...but in jest. Recognize that I do not want any rights taken away, etc.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: Ishikawa] #740965 01/02/13 02:59 AM
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I don't think you'll get away with making it an SBR, more than likely they would create a new class?

Now, I have a serious question, what about those people who live in states that do not allow NFA items? Would you have to turn in your now illegal rifle?


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: monsterdog] #740966 01/02/13 03:31 AM
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No, politicians don't believe the rules apply to them. In fact, they have ensured the rules don't apply to them.

Congress freezes the federal workforce pay, yet they are exempted.

Once elected to Congress--regardless of how long you serve--you get your salary (or a really high percentage)--for the rest of your life.

Want to travel? Join Congress and fly first class military air for free.

And the list goes on...


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: DogTired] #740967 01/02/13 03:57 AM
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I already contacted my elected officials and hopefully the politicians will see what a bad decision it would be. I hater to say this, but out Founding Fathers understood the meaning of standing up for one's rights--are there enough of us to do it today? I know many took an oath to protect the United States from all threats, foreign or domestic. How many will be willing to try and disarm fellow Americans, who would be willing to take a blue helmet to the ground, who would be willing to do what is necessary to continue the Constitution? Remember, if one of the first ten (Bill of Rights), especially the SECOND AMENDMENT, it won't be long before the rest start falling too. I am sickened with the state of affairs that the US is in to many good men and women have given all to guarantee the rights of the US populace.

Also, why is it hard for the politicians to deal with something important such as the debt ceiling, fiscal cliff, taxes and such but they think firearms is a easy thing to tackle? Do people not remember history, or even pay attention--we fought a revolution over less taxes and a civil war for less government intrusion in the lives of Americans. Divide and conquer, stand together and prevail.


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: sumoj275] #740968 01/02/13 04:21 AM
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A 15 minute video summary of the proposed ban:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDglpt8hpyg#!


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Re: I hope you don't like your AR or AK. [Re: monsterdog] #740969 01/02/13 06:21 AM
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I hope all of you wrote your senators and representatives, it will also help to call them tomorrow, this thing is going up on Thursday. NRA-ILA has a link that allows you to easily write all of them in one go:

http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-locally/grassroots/write-your-reps.aspx

The more people they hear from who says they disagree with this sort of thing, the less likely they are to vote in favor of it.

You need to tell them to vote no on this and any other gun control legislation, and if they vote yes or abstain that you will not vote for them again. Make sure you write all of them, especially the ones who are most likely to let this pass.

Also be aware there is a "high capacity" (read: standard capacity) magazine ban being introduced separately to this, also on Thursday.

Thanks MD, I just emailed my representatives!


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