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OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again #748597 03/05/13 07:41 PM
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From a KnifeRights email I just received.

It seems they are pretty arbitrary in what knives you can actually carry on board, but at least its a shimmy in the right direction.

Sadly it doesn't mean you can carry all the Busse steel you got at Blade 2013 in your carry-on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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TSA to Allow Small Knives Onboard Aircraft Again


In an announcement at an aviation conference in New York, TSA administrator John Pistole said that effective April 25 the TSA was is lifting its ban on small knives in the cabin. It wasn't entirely clear for sure what small knives, exactly, would be allowed, because there wasn't a lot of specificity to what Pistole said, or at least what was reported on various news sites.


Pistole said that the allowable knives will be limited to "retractable blades shorter than 6 centimeters (2.4 inches) and narrower than 1/2 inch at the widest point." We're guessing that by "retractable" he meant "folding." Still prohibited would be "knives with locking blades or molded handles," Pistole said. While "locking blades" is a straightforward, if irrational, discriminator, it isn't at all clear what he meant by "molded handles."


He also said razor blades and box cutters would still be banned. Citing the 9/11 terrorists that used box cutters to kill flight attendants on the aircraft they hijacked, "there is just too much emotion involved with those," Pistole said.


Also, citing concerns raised by U.S. pilots, flight attendants and Air Marshals, certain types of small knives used primarily for hunting or as weapons will also continue to be prohibited. Again, it isn't at all clear what that means, but it sounds like an entirely subjective, and again irrational, standard that will likely include features like serrated blades or any blade style that appears "aggressive" to a TSA screener, at a guess. It will no doubt take a while for all involved to figure out where the line is between permitted and prohibited.


Pistole said allowing these items onboard would align the U.S. with ICAO and European standards and allow screeners to focus on the highest priority threat, non-metallic explosive devices. Since we have reports of passengers being allowed onboard in Europe with locking blade folders, we're still not clear how "aligned" this ends up being.


At this point, our assumption is that what they intend to allow are keychain sized knives like the Victorinox Classic and Wenger Esquire Swiss Army Knives or Leatherman Squirt or Style multi-tools. Victorinox and Leatheman have lobbied the TSA for many years for this exemption and it appears they final succeeded. Congratulations!


While hardly entirely rational in nature, it is a step in the right direction and one virtually all knife carriers will celebrate.


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: monsterdog] #748598 03/05/13 08:15 PM
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I once bought off ebay one lot of TSA seized Victornox classics for a ridiculous low price.
Guess those days are coming to an end.


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: ToboTech] #748599 03/05/13 09:54 PM
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Do the TSA agents understand this new rule? I'll wait a year and see what happens...


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: Massive Metal] #748600 03/05/13 10:37 PM
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"any blade style that appears aggressive"

yeah right, i won't be taking any chances, not even with nail clippers.

ever since flying has become such a hassle, i avoid it as much as possible.

i don't need to be strip searched or interrogated because i have an aggressive looking t-shirt on.


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: WinterWolf] #748601 03/05/13 10:49 PM
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Seriously! This is crazy. I'm with you WW. There's no way I'll risk them taking my SAK.


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: tedsterosa] #748602 03/06/13 12:05 AM
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I guess I still can't fly. My Rat Trap goes where I go.


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: Horn Dog] #748603 03/06/13 01:03 AM
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I will continue to put my pocket knife in my checked baggage.

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I am excited. I will be taking my SAK on my next plane trip. Use to carry before 9/11 and this is at least a step in the right direction.


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: Sethrotull] #748605 03/06/13 02:24 AM
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Yeah this is by no means ironclad, but it shows some willingness to be less stupid.

One of the Spyderco Bugs are cheap to experiment with to see what they will do to you.


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: monsterdog] #748606 03/06/13 04:57 AM
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I am neither pleased nor upset with this decision. I have traveled the world many times over in planes and never needed to cut anything on a plane.

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yeah dont get me wrong, i'm not upset over it.

i just don't trust em.

you see that video footage of the woman detained for trying to carry breast milk?


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Re: OT: TSA to Allow Sm. Knives Onboard Aircraft Again [Re: WinterWolf] #748608 03/06/13 05:10 AM
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yeah dont get me wrong, i'm not upset over it.

i just don't trust em.

you see that video footage of the woman detained for trying to carry breast milk?

I have not, but that is hilarious and sad at the same time.

Come to think of it, they should detain all nursing mothers. A single breast can easily hold more than three ounces of liquid. As a public servant, I volunteer to confiscate and hold all breast attempting to board a plane.

Yes, I will make a sacrifice for my country's safety.

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