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[Re: Evil Spock]
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imaginefjJoined:  Jan 2008 Posts: 3,141  OP Junk Yard Dog |  
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Dang, that sounds too good to be true. 
 Join the NRA
JYD #69  If a 6 turned out to be 9
Join the NRA
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|  Re: Water purification/filtration
[Re: imaginefj]
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07/27/13 02:41 PM |  
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SkunkHunterJoined:  Oct 2008 Posts: 117,124   Junk Yard Dog |  
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Was reading up on the LIFESTRAW today and came across this information.  It helps me understand some of the technicalities that I didn't before.
 LifeStraw® - Acronyms/Definitions
 
 Aging water: Water passed through the filter with determined known PH-TOC-total dissolved solids and turbidity to measure the filter’s resistance to clogging, flow-rate and lifetime.
 
 CDC: Centers for Disease Control, USA.
 
 CFU: Colony-Forming Unit (CFU) is a measure of viable bacterial numbers. It allows users to assess the degree of contamination in samples of water.
 
 Challenge water: Water passed through the filter for microbiological efficacy tests. In this water, disinfectant is completely removed and residue level should be non-detectable. This is to ensure that there is no interference from residual chlorine (most tap water is chlorinated) on the contaminants introduced in the water and give a more accurate measure of the filter’s microbiological efficacy.
 
 Environmental Protection Agency: The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA or USEPA) is an agency of the federal government of the United States charged with protecting human health and safeguarding the natural environment, namely air, water, and land.
 
 Log reduction: -”LOG” stands for the logarithm function: 1, 2, 3 and 4 LOG reductions correspond to 90%, 99%, 99.9% and 99.99% reduction respectively, and so on.
 
 LRV: Log Reduction Value.
 
 Ms2: A virus which is easily cultivated in laboratories and used to measure viral reduction efficacy of the filter.
 
 NSF International: The Public Health and Safety Company™, a not-for-profit, non-governmental organization based in the United States, is the world leader in standards development, product certification, education, and risk-management for public health and safety.
 
 NTU: Nephelometric Turbidity Units. Turbidity refers to how clear the water is. The greater the amount of total suspended solids (TSS) in the water, the murkier it appears and the higher the measured turbidity.
 
 PFU: Plaque-Forming Unit (PFU) is a measure of viable numbers of viruses in the water.
 
 Point-of-use interventions: For those who have access to sufficient quantities of water but whose water is of poor microbiological quality, an alternative is to treat water at the household or other point of use. Such a household treatment may minimise recontamination in the home, a well-known cause of water quality degradation. Interventions used in the studies include: filtration (ceramic), solar disinfection, chlorination, flocculation/disinfection and improved storage.
 
 RR: Rate of reduction.
 
 RTC: Randomized Control Trial.
 
 TOC: Total organic carbon: material in the water derived from decaying vegetation, bacterial growth, and metabolic activities of living organisms or chemicals.
 
 TTC: Thermo Tolerant Coliforms
 
 Turbidity: Turbidity is the cloudiness or haziness of a fluid caused by individual particles (suspended solids) that are generally invisible to the naked eye, similar to smoke in the air.
 
 AND I found this as well.
 (The below info is for the larger lifestraw FAMILY filter)
 Microbiological Performance
 
 Intervention	Bacteria	Virus	Protozoan cyst	Meets Environmental Protection Agency protocol
 LifeStraw® Family	Minimum 99.9999%	Minimum 99.99%	Minimum 99.9%	Yes
 Boiling	99.9999%	99.99%	99.9%	Yes
 Flocculation disinfection (Pur)	99.9999%	99.99%	99.9%	Yes
 Chlorination	Depends upon the contact time and quantity of variable chlorine	No
 Bio sand filter	90%-99%	50%-90%	99.9%	No
 Ceramic filter	>99%	Low	99.9%	No
 Solar Distillation	99.999%	99.99%	50%-99%	Unclear
 
 Physical Performance
 
 Intervention	Water treatment capacity
 Flow rate/processing time	Factors affecting performance	Impact on water taste/appearance	Repeat intervention required
 LifeStraw® Family	18,000 litres	Average 9 litres/hour	Safe storage if water not consumed directly	Neutral for taste; positive for appearance	No
 Boiling	Not applicable	20 minutes (includes heating water to 100°C, 1 min boiling, cooling)	Boiling temperature and safe storage	Neutral or negative for taste; neutral for appearance	Yes
 Flocculation disinfection
 10 litres	30 minutes	Exposure time, chemical concentration in mix	Negative for taste; positive for appearance	Yes
 
 Chlorination (dilute NaOCl2)
 1000 litres	30 minutes contact time after preparation and dosing	Exposure time, turbidity, chlorine demand	Negative	Yes
 Bio sand filter	Up to 50 litres/day	0.1/0.3 metre/hour (when the average depth of sand filter is 0.7 metres)	Proper construction, operation, and maintenance	Neutral for taste; positive for appearance	No
 Ceramic filter	5000-10,000 litres	1-3 litres/hour	Pore size and consistency; bacteriostatis; maintenance	Neutral for taste; positive for appearance	No
 Solar Distillation
 1-2 litre per bottle average	6 hours	Sunlight, turbidity, dissolved solids	Neutral for taste and appearance	No
 
Last edited by SkunkHunter; 07/27/13 02:46 PM.
 
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|  Re: Water purification/filtration
[Re: imaginefj]
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07/27/13 03:43 PM |  
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gunfixrjoeJoined:  Aug 2011 Posts: 1,385   Junk Yard Dog |  
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A good, high quality filter is indispensible.  Sawyers products are top notch.  As already stated, 2 is 1, 1 is none.  I prefer more than 2 options.  The best I've come across for the highest filtration ability is the HydroPack.  It will work even if you threw it in a well used Portapotty.  Its slow, and single use, but it is highly effective and adds electrolytes. 
 JYD#149
 
 
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[Re: imaginefj]
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07/27/13 03:50 PM |  
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gunfixrjoeJoined:  Aug 2011 Posts: 1,385   Junk Yard Dog |  
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A good, high quality filter is indispensible.  Sawyers products are top notch.  As already stated, 2 is 1, 1 is none.  I prefer more than 2 options.  The best I've come across for the highest filtration ability is the HydroPack.  It will work even if you threw it in a well used Portapotty.  Its slow, and single use, but it is highly effective and adds electrolytes. 
 JYD#149
 
 
 If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.
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[Re: imaginefj]
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07/27/13 03:50 PM |  
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gunfixrjoeJoined:  Aug 2011 Posts: 1,385   Junk Yard Dog |  
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 JYD#149
 
 
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|  Re: Water purification/filtration
[Re: imaginefj]
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07/31/13 04:55 PM |  
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Endeavour MorseJoined:  Feb 2010 Posts: 4,889   Junk Yard Dog |  
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The filters I have are:
 Aquamira Frontier - suck through small filter
 
 Berkey Sports Bottle - 22oz bottle with 160 refills of prefiltered water
 
 Katadyn Hiker - midrange pump filter
 
 Katadyn Pocket - top of the line pump filter (13000 gallons)
 
 I also use a stainless canteen cup for boiling, and Katadyn water purfication tablets.
 
 For stationary needs:  bleach.
 
 
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 I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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|  Re: Water purification/filtration
[Re: Endeavour Morse]
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07/31/13 05:00 PM |  
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Private KlinkJoined:  Sep 2006 Posts: 47,627   Junk Yard Dog |  
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Looks like you have it covered pretty well Gary!   
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|  Re: Water purification/filtration
[Re: imaginefj]
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08/01/13 02:32 AM |  
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SkunkHunterJoined:  Oct 2008 Posts: 117,124   Junk Yard Dog |  
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Gary, what is your take on the First Need XLE and the life straw listed above? 
 If you’re not Paranoid, You’re
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|  Re: Water purification/filtration
[Re: imaginefj]
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08/01/13 12:19 PM |  
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greaserJoined:  Sep 2012 Posts: 7,098   Junk Yard Dog |  
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I personally have only used the GI issue tablets which made the water safe but very unpleasant. I have been looking at this system lately. http://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/big-berkey.html
Last edited by greaser; 08/01/13 12:23 PM.
 
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|  Re: Water purification/filtration
[Re: imaginefj]
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08/01/13 02:13 PM |  
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Endeavour MorseJoined:  Feb 2010 Posts: 4,889   Junk Yard Dog |  
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We had a Big Berkey when we lived in town and had municipal water because you can add PF-2 post filters that remove fluoride.  We sold the Berkey when we moved out of town and have well water (the whole house has a filtration system now).
 Be careful with USGI tabs that are based upon iodine.  It can create thyroid problems if used often.
 
 JYD #123  The great one formerly known as Architect.
 
 I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Re: imaginefj]
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08/02/13 10:53 PM |  
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greaserJoined:  Sep 2012 Posts: 7,098   Junk Yard Dog |  
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Trust my arc I only used them in the service lol we have well water also but even that can become contaminated was my train of thought.  
 JYD#176
 "dein Gott schickte mich zu zerstören"
 "Sic semper evello mortem Tyrannis"
 "Sometimes the chance of a zombie outbreak is the only reason I need to make many of my life's Decisions." General Delivery
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[Re: imaginefj]
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08/03/13 08:53 PM |  
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Endeavour MorseJoined:  Feb 2010 Posts: 4,889   Junk Yard Dog |  
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The Berkey is a great filter, but its not a purifier.  It'll remove cysts, and so forth but cannot treat water for viruses, etc.
 For a well I recommend a three step filtration system:
 
 Sediment filtration followed by activated charcoal and then UV light.
 
 If a viral issue is a concern the fourth step would be chlorination.
 
 JYD #123  The great one formerly known as Architect.
 
 I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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