I used stones and mouse pad with different papers for years. After I turned my para2 into a butter knife for the second time, I pretty much bailed on them. Been using a lansky for most of my fixed blades and sharpmaker more for the folders. I get pretty good results from them, but am not much of a sharpener by any stretch. My lansky put a shaving edge on my Howling Rat last week and I could have keeled over from surprise!