bld522 - I suspect you already know the answer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Actually, since the Scrapper 6 has a more pointed blade, initial penetration of the metal should be easier, even though the Tramp's length would be an advantage for leverage. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />