Bill - get both!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Seriously, Rich pretty much nailed it - if you can get the BattleRat cheap, get it as it HAS been discontinued and the DogFather hopefully will be around for a while. Dan has already said that the LE version will come out later, so you will still have a chance for one. The BattleRat is a great knife - I have two also - but I suspect that the DogFather will be an even better chopper. Let us know what you end up with! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Tom