FYI.... Scrapyard is a proud supporter of the armed forces. I emailed Patti last week about the Dog Father that I ordered and asked if they give a military discount to military members and guess what.... they do!! YEA!! 10 percent is better than most companies out there. Scrap Yard is a great company and I am sooo happy that I found them. The knives a perfect for what I do and the forum has the best group of people, by far, than any other forum I am a member of. THANKS SCRAP YARD. You have a customer for life.