Actually the G10 on my HCLE IS very nice.. Also the handle proportions are very good, it fits the hand well. (Darn shame the steel isn't a bit tougher!!). In hand the HCLE feels as good as the SS4 imho, but then the SS4 protects you from the cold and possibly electrocution too.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />