I'm certain at this point that I'll be using my HACK and NMFBM both. At least for making pants to start with. I am anxious in seeing what the NMFBM is like as a chopper too. I have a feeling that the HACK might make a great necker though, if you like that kinda thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />