speaking of patinas, hey mcjhrobinson i dug that picture when you were in Zion Natl park. How did you like southern utah? I grew up in St. George Utah a little SW of Zion and we have a cabin on @ 700+ acres on the top of kanara mt. which looks down through Kolob fingers which is NW Zion park. I dare say it doesnt compete with the lush vegetation of Hawaii, (lived in my tent on N Shore Oahu for a summer) it is still majestic.