fair enough, in a SHTF situ ANYBODY would grab the nearest tool and chop, pry, smash etc......even i would. Tools can be replaced, lives cannnot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

I still understand Gideon's view though, its very close to my own. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

like i said, thanks for sacrificing your own SOD <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />