Thanks everyone for the kind comments...you learn a lot on here and my cheap 1x30 belt sander and grinder has been a real blessing once you get the right belts and discs...and some simple wet and dry paper with a sanding block...HD has been a great "distance" teacher...many thanks for the help and inspiration Vic <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />