That might very well be it. I did get them at discount (well, one of them...still waiting on refund for the other one) with my military ID and trust me when I say I have zero intention of selling either of these even after the year is up. They are going to be heavy duty users this summer when I take my brothers-in-law camping <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />