reminds me of when I saw four these guys standing around looking at a car that had rolled over a small ledge and gotten stuck. I think they were waiting on a tow truck or something. I told them to "just pick it up". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> they looked at me like I was crazy. I went over and told them to grab it, pick it up, and push. 30 seconds later the car was ready to roll.

some thought, some effort, and some muscle... :THUMB:

and I guess some experience helps. but don't ask me how I knew. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />