I agree with Vic on the Muk. As far as I am concerned the Muk is the best ever made by Dan and crew <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />. The S5 is also nice ( not INFI)and I have the DM ( skinny) in tanker gray and then the original fatty which are both just OK for me. Just my 2 cents-Thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />