The Basic 4 actually reminds me a little of my Blackjack Grunt, maybe if Dan releases a new 3/16" 611 with full size res-C handles I'll be able to leave my Grunt in the drawer and use it's super tough replacement ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />