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04/07/16 09:53 AM
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I need an SF Frame on all my gen3 Glocks!
Any day I'm above the grass and I'm not a zombie is a good day! JYD#138
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
[Re: Endeavour Morse]
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04/07/16 11:35 AM
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SF means "Short Frame". This is somewhat of a misnomer, because the frame is the same HEIGHT and WIDTH but the DEPTH (backstrap to front strap) is reduced.
The SF frame is SLIGHTLY "shorter" (based upon Glock's description above) than the Gen 4 without an added backstrap. Some people claim they're the same, but the caliper states otherwise.
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I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
[Re: Endeavour Morse]
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04/07/16 11:36 AM
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Based upon the size of my hands, I cannot comfortably handle a regular G20 / G21. I can easily manage a G20SF or G20 Gen 4.
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I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
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04/07/16 11:38 AM
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Mike, found this (I didn't know either) With muzzle energy of 550 ft/lbs and a magazine capacity of 15 rounds, this 10mm is your reliable companion on every hunt. 550 FPE is nothing for a 10mm. Underwood's 180gr. generates 676 FPE out of a Glock 20. They're pushing a 180gr at 1300fps...as all 10mm ammo should!
JYD #123 The great one formerly known as Architect.
I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
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04/07/16 11:42 AM
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Underwood 165gr Bonded ... 1400fps with 718 ft/lbs
Underwood 180gr Bonded ... 1300fps with 676 ft/lbs
Underwood 200gr Hardcast ... 1250fps with 695 ft/lbs
For those bruins that want to eat your shorts.....
Underwood 220gr Hardcast FN ... 1200fps with 703 ft/lbs
10mm loaded to its potential negates the 357Mag, 41Mag, and 44Mag (at least in my opinion). I'll take 16rds of 700FPE in a lightweight polymer frame (that helps absorb recoil) gun with night sights and a weaponlight over any 6 round revolver.
JYD #123 The great one formerly known as Architect.
I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
[Re: Endeavour Morse]
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04/07/16 11:46 AM
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To put the 10mm's performance in prospective......
The average "LEGENDARY" 45Acp 230gr HP generates around 400FPE....the 10mm average about 700FPE.
Glock 20 is the same size as a Glock 21
Glock 20 = 16rds of 10mm
Glock 21 = 14rds of 45Acp
10MM FOR THE WIN.
JYD #123 The great one formerly known as Architect.
I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
[Re: Endeavour Morse]
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04/07/16 11:50 AM
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You can have A LOT more energy from a 44Mag, but there is a diminishing return when considering shot-to-shot times. The whole "one shot stop" idea is foolish. I'm shooting until the thing stops trying to eat me.
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I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
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04/07/16 11:59 AM
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Dang I want a 20sf now!!!
Any day I'm above the grass and I'm not a zombie is a good day! JYD#138
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
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04/07/16 03:07 PM
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I was always concerned about the front to back distance as well. That 10mm is a LONG round! IF I remember right, my Federal 124gr +p hst3 ammo is clocking 1200 at the muzzle and 363fpe
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
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04/07/16 03:10 PM
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The Glock 21 (full size 45Acp) shares the same frame (as does the G21 SF / G20SF and G21 Gen 4 / G20 Gen 4).
The front to rear could be an issue for small hands. I have medium size hands and can handle both the SF and Gen 4 without any problems.
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I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
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04/07/16 03:11 PM
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Dang I want a 20sf now!!! Careful what you wish for....I'm going to pitch my Gen 4 to you when you're not expecting it 
JYD #123 The great one formerly known as Architect.
I am now a fictional British television police officer (currently a Detective Sgt) at Thames Valley Station. My governor is Detective Inspector Fred Thursday and it’s 1969.
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Re: What have you BOUGHT lately?
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04/07/16 03:16 PM
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Hahaha why is the 20sf better than the gen4 version
Any day I'm above the grass and I'm not a zombie is a good day! JYD#138
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